The PAK vs ZIS Gun argument would be viable if Ostheer had a t70 themself, but we're speaking about asymmetric balance here. And No, the 222 performance/impact/effectiveness is not camparable to t70
and cons don't get an upgrade til t4 with t34 being at big disadvantage when facing p4, but since 222 is not an 30 fuel light tank I guess it does not matter
i did explain it: the window of light vehicle gameplay brings Ost in a disadvantage because the only thing to fight LV is the Pak. However the pak is unflexible, slow and has no AI capabilities, so you must rely on good positioning, game sense, timing and ambushes to make it work. Which Per se is absolutely fine.
but when the Pak misses in such situation which happens far too often, the ost player is very often doomed.
i backed up my claim with replays and tried it out myself. i won 8 games with Sov in a row and it was much easier than wehr
Only SOV have any sort of AI on their AT, with a downside of having has the lowest ROF.
Pak misses as much as any other AT. That was said multiple times. Why UKF, for example, does not have similar issue, but only OST?
As for "dead after missing a shot" you have 20 range fausts, 222 is also not all that helpless vs t70.
win streak does not mean much, unless you getting them repeatedly, while being matched vs similar or better then you opponents. Anyone can get a lucky streak both losing and winning. Only once you start winning/losing vs guys you have no business winning/losing against we can talk about some imbalances.
Brit commander in 2v2 with fortified bofors and mortar side by side in middle of map... gg
I hit their 'nest' with: leig (smoke for volks, and barrage), stuka, rak and even lefh.
Some maps like Baku really suit simcity, but on others you can just leave the camper, rape the other guy with your teammate and then come later to deal with UKF.
Imo leigs work only if bofors is defensive and you want to apply pressure, orif you want to bleed repairing royal engies. Otherwise 2x rak attack ground is the best way to deal with it. And if you more of the offensive guy, most of the time you can deal with the city builder during the counter attack.
At some rank UKF just simply stop building emplacements, because most of the time they are not worth the investment, unless it is a mortar pit behind some durable sight blocker. UKF has plenty of offensive options, so doing this strat is often pretty pointless including mentioned commander.
As for incendiary, e.g. firestorm, it is only worth in 4v4, because the game flow is very stiff there.
The position of the 105mm within USF is obviously worse, but probably also a different topic. I'd not call it "pretty" susceptible (pen chance is ~55% at mid-long range, accuracy not included) but still worse than the Brummbar. I think what holds it back apart from the commander is also the existance of the StuG as well as the PaK stun shot on Ostheer. The StuG is such a cheap counter to the 105mm it's not really worth taking it against Ostheer.
It is because of the USF design as a whole, so most of the time you can be pretty ballsy with P4s vs 105mm pushing engagement distance to medium close range, while I agree the chances are not in the "reliable territory" it is good enough to test your luck repeatedly. As for Sturmpanzer it can deflect some shots, but 105mm's armor is not simply not enough for that. IMO if 105mm was good enough, the commander would have been in much better spot.
These units should be slightly more susceptible to mediums. They're late game tanks, so you can expect that others tanks should be on the field as counters.
Imo 105 mm is pretty susceptible to both mediums (P4s) and AT guns, but Sturmpanzer is a good spot right now, maybe too good to someone's liking.
Also 105mm it is in a tricky spot, because HE sherman is that good, while being more diverse.
Ok you seem to want to use ad hominem arguments once more.
I am simply not going to follow you in the root you have chosen that will derail this thread which is about Ostheer accuracy.
Think we have established that:
that pak is not inaccurate
T-70 is more impactful than 222
that M3A1 is not up
that spotting scopes are not OP
and we can move on.
Donnie brings up t70 vision
I bring up 222 vision.
You bring up m3 vision.
I say that m3 is not that much viable vs OST, so it is pretty irrelevant to this discussion and explained why in the process.
You start doing your regular stuff, ignoring what have been said, derailed the thread yourself and then said I did it
Nice job, man. Nice job.
I think it safe to say that T-70 is more impactful than 222. Actually is one of the most impactful units of Soviet at least in small modes...
As for the sight his point was that T-70 provides stock a similar vision as Spotting scope provide
to PzIVs.
I am not sure what your point is here that M3a1 is UP?
Because claiming that it does not have DPS or
HP or
that is only "good on paper" sure makes it sound like it.
so ~53 vision pre vet 3 apparently similar to 70 minimum vision from scope. And 222, which is a part of most OST builds, has also similar sight to t70.
M3 is not that useful vs gren start. It is not OP, nor UP, this is how it is, I don't care. Please read my every comment explaining it is this way, because there won't be 2 pages long discussion about minor details that have already been pointed out in some way, shape or form.
It seem you got that the other way round, it is not Donnie complaining about the "non doc vision from t70" but Katukov complaining about the doctrinal spotting scopes although Sander93's long response.
he was complaining about how 222 is not as impactful as t70 and how t70 can spot everything, which 222 can do as well.
Your description of m3a1 for some strange reason is flawed:
M3A3 has plenty of DPS on its own for its timing/class
M3A3 can survive an ATG shot so again it has plenty of HP for its timing/class
ofc, my guy. Very good unit vs OST...maybe for a 1 screen army type of guy
Imagine getting m3 vs gren start with 20 range fausts and proceed to waste all your micro on it, just because it is "good on paper". Might as well save the resources for a future backtech into zis gun, so when p4 arrives you won't get caught with your pants down while parading your "all seeing" t70
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