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Panzerwerfer is fine now. Finally. |
Are you saying Panther anti infantry is like t34-76?
You must be playing another game, not coh2 for sure
T34-76 is supposed to be good at killing infantry but it's not - your only chance is trying to crush it. Maybe it was recklessly to say that Panther is better in AI than t34-76 but at least its machinegun doesn't miss like t34 gun. |
http://www.coh2.org/replay/40435/panther-f1
Take this. Look at desciption. If you tell me that Panther is ok after this replay... well, you must be an Axis fanboy. |
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For those who thinks that Panther is ok.
From 40.45 - Panther with damaged engine uses Blitz and moves back as fast as F1 car! Yeeeaah! Totally not OP!
From 42.35 - Mother of God! It's a goddamn fast as fuck Panther again! Not OP guys, not OP. It's normal to have a speed of scout car for heavy tank. It's German tank after all. |
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I'm bitching about Panther because it has no any weak spots like any other vehicle in game (don't count Brits, they're new and need to be balanced). This bastard is strong, fast (even faster than t34), has great armor and can deal with everything. Smoke and blitz make it even stronger. I'll post replay in 2-3 hours. |
Why do you compare Stug and Su 76 ? and not Stug with Su 85 ? next time you will compare King tiger and M3 ?
Pz4 (waaaay better than t34) = 60 fuel difference, you can almost have 2 T34-76 for one P4.
Why not pick a T34-85, that for almost the same coast will crush P4 easily and will fight Panther with the help of mark target ?
Why I need DOCTRINAL t34-85 to beat NON-DOCTRINAL Pz4 and Panther? Can you feel the difference? Don't you think that something definitely wrong in this situation?
Pz4 appears on battlefield way earlier than t34-76, lol. T34 is pretty weak against it. It's better build some SU76 or even SU85 to counter Pz4 than shitty T34-76. |
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Yes, Panther MUST take out tanks but why the hell it has no any weak points? It's impossible to stop Panther without at-nades or mines and it can escape even with damaged engine because its speed and smoke.
>>Yes it's normal for axis because they have to rely on panthers to deal with allies tanks that come in superior numbers.
So against Soviets Axis have HUGE amount of AT-measures like paks (better than zis), schrecks (best hand-held AT-weapon in the whole game), stugs (>su76) and Pz4 (waaaay better than t34). An only thing that can be on pair with this nightmare is IS-2 but it's doctrinal. After this Germans can build Panthers which haven't any analogues in Soviet army. It looks like nail in coffin.
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>Why can't my 80 fuel cheap as fuck t34 not be good as a 175 fuel panther?
Seriously? Moreover panther doesn't wipe squads out of nowhere, the pintle lmg decreases health of squads so you can always retreat without ever facing a wipe.
>Why is the enemy not letting me destroy his panther with my IS2, why does he escape!
Seriously?
Why can't be my mortar as lethal as the enemy one?
Because 4 vs 6 men squads. Moreover soviet mortar has more accuracy. Flare is in my opinion a better ability that precision strike and a true combined arms ability, just in the spirit of coh.
T34 isn't only cheap as fuck, it's also shitty as fuck. Even 2 T34 (160 fuel) won't take even half of Panther's HP. I just pointed that Panther can fight against everything and Soviets don't have any counterpart.
So you think it's normal for Axis to have non-doctrinal unit with speed of light vehicle, armor of heavy vehicle, at-gun of TD and MG which is ok against infantry? Smoke makes this fucker invincible.
And about mortars. You said what? Soviet mortar has more accuracy than GrW? You mean barrage I suppose. Germans never use barrage, GrW's autofire kills everything. With vet1 and counter-fire German mortars become even more deadly. |
Panther cant win a 1v1 duel against an IS2 ( but can leave the fight ), a snared tank is a dead tank, try to At nade him, or use mines ( you will float munitions with soviets )
And panther is not a "real" heavy, lets say is more like a "good armored" medium tank hunter, Panther was classified as heavy for allies, but medium for axis
With M3 you have 2 options:
- Engage at distance, M3 going back kite gren easily
- Engage Solo gren ( or even better, Assgren, Pio's, MG, Mortar, Sniper, non upgraded pgrens) with M3 flamer, cause 2 faust will "one shot you", when a Solo gren will just die against M3 Flamer, 1 faust will not be enough to kill M3
Why do you call it medium? It's closer to heavies not to mediums. Anyway I'd prefer Panther to IS2 - the closest Soviet non-doctrinal analogue is T34-76 (ha-ha), shittiest medium tank in the game. Lone Panther will be destroyed by combine mines/at-nades and IS-2 for sure if Axis player is stupid enough not to use blitz and smoke. But it never acts on its own. Blobs and packs usually support it. So destroying this piece of junk becomes even more harder. I think, Panther definitely needs nerf - armor and/or speed. |
- "But not allies" and you say Churchill to contradict yourself in the same sentence, cause fuck logic
- If you cant beat Panther with IS2, its not the game fault
- Again, Panther is shit against infantry
- Why you rushed a M3 into multiple faust range ? a M3 flamer will always beat a solo gren, always
Allies are USF, Brits and Soviets. Only Brits have non-doctrinal heavy tank. Axis are Wehr and OKW, both have heavy non-doctrinal tank so I definitely can say that EVERY Axis faction has non-doctrinal heavy tank but not EVERY Allied faction. Where is fuck logic?
IS-2 is supposed to be good against heavies including Panther but fucking Blitz with smoke screen help Panther to escape without any punishment. It's really hard to kill Panther with IS-2 in 1on1 fight. As I said it either kills you or just escapes.
Maybe I'm not good with clown car, ok but I can't manage to survive when I'm moving backwards with M3. |
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