Profile of Bulgakov

Soviets have no real handheld AT, they need something to compensate. Button is doctrinal, 60 ammo a pop, requires a 75 ammo upgrade, and comes on a platform that doesn't have that much going for it. Soviets going Guards means they don't have Shocks and LMG grens can counter their entire infantry roster. With how sucky PTRS are, the Guards also need a supporting unit to make Button worthwhile, and a single pop of smoke (which is on half of Ostheer's doctrines and on several OKW vehicles) negates the ability entirely. If button gets nerfed/changed/removed, then PTRS need to become a valid anti-tank weapon against anything bigger than a halftrack.

Button's a bit ''gamey'', sure, but no more than sending red flares down the 10 square meters that heavy artillery will bombard in 3 seconds flat. Because that sure as hell ain't how arty works in real life. Or German wunderwaffen (some of them having almost never seen combat) working flawlessly all the time despite being plagued with design problems IRL. Or snipers turning, proning and shooting in the space of 2 seconds while getting a bullseye every time. Ect.

Lot of good points, thanks! Yes, CoH2 is far from reality in a lot of ways... Some of the ways are good for gameplay, others aren't so great.

I know you are not saying it is OP. I am saying it.

Lategame Soviets should lose. Button has to go. Lategame cheese should be something that only axis can do with Smoke, Blitz, Überinfantry, Kingtigers and Jagdtigers.

ok, thanks for the helpful answer. You deserve constructive king of forum status.



I never said late game soviets should lose, I said it's not great to have button+Bombing Run / ISU or button stopping early game sniper counters. I think it's one of the reasons for the current boring metas where both sides stand face to face and slug it out. I know that you like to play snipers to ISU + button +bombing run but... Don't you think the game would be better without it? And with some new options for soviets instead?


Do you think late game soviets would lose without button? Is it having that much effect? And if it is, should it? I remember you used it against me that time we played (Button+Bomb+ISU). I guess you use it a lot and don't like even the thought of being removed? Is that why you're so against this thread?




Man, if you'd just say "ok, if we consider it, then we have to consider changing the following Axis abilities: A, B, C." I'd say "yes, let's find what to buff for soviets" Then we could have a discussion. But instead you spit sarcasm all over your reply.



For example Skinless said:
"ok remove it, replace ptrs with bazooka" - Great idea. I'd totally go for that.

Why is everyone so angry? Is bringing topics up for discussion so terrible? Arclyte, why are you so angry? Chto s toboi, malenkii?


Aerohank - I'm not saying it's "super OP". Could you show me anywhere where I say that?

I'm saying it's partof the reason that sniper strats and ISU are overpowered and hard to punish.

What function does it serve? To stop the German light vehicle / tank spam nobody is seeing in 1v1 / 2v2?


When there is an ISU, Axis needs to be able to flank, correct? When there are snipers - attack with light vehicles, right? No. Because guards essentially negate that option. The button ability is part of the reason for the Face-Face tank slugfest meta. Flanking is punished with button. I think that's wrong.

Soviets wouldn't suffer early game if it was removed. There would be a lot less late-game cheese if it was taken out. I don't see a real downside other than soviets losing an easy vehicle-wipe ability.

It actually worked in real life so why wouldn't it work in game?

In ww2 it didn't stop the tank from moving. Just massively reduced vision.

Does the game need this ability?

Firstly, if you sit back and think about it, why would firing bullets at vision slits disable the movement of a tank? I can understand why it would reduce the accuracy of the crew who cannot safely look out of the tank. But why would it affect the movement? Bullets do not create tractor beams.

But since realism < gameplay, there are some gameplay points I will make:



Currently it is used to:

Negate counters to snipers: enabling snipers to inflict huge damage without serious threat. If button was removed, I'm sure the number of people using sniper strats vs Ostheer would decrease dramatically.

Hold tanks in ISU range: Trying to flank the ISU? Oh nonono. Even though the forum-folk will tell you "just flank the ISU" the guards will tell you "Stand still, no flanking." Button lasts long enough for ISU to demolish anything but KT or Jagd.

And the cheesiest of ways to use it (and one of the cheesiest 2-click death moves in the whole game):

Hold tanks to drop bomb 1 click "button", 2 click "drop heavy bomb". No more clicks necessary.




Would removing "button" really be bad for the game? Or would it suddenly allow for axis to utilise vehicles more? There would still be AT grenades and mines to keep axis vehicles in check. But no magical STOP! BUTTON TIME!