Profile of Nosliw

Should've watched OCF.
Go find some casts.

I did, and I don't remember seeing Osttruppen in any games that mattered

Imo a 20 fuel 240 mp car should have a little more health. A pak shot almost 1 shots it, while it dies to small arms fire, even a single raketten cloaked almost kills it in one shot.

20 fuel and 240 mp guys, a pretty hefty investment imo, the 222 cost less.

The 222 requires teching cost to T2, T2 building fuel cost, and then the cost of the 222. The 222 also is fielded much later due to tech times. The WC51 can be fielded at 0CP.

adjusting its speed, removing its garrison, and reducing its cost or buffing its stats for cost, would go a long way to make this unit more viable.


Someone earlier pointed out that the resources get refunded. While this is true if you can keep it alive, the overall early investment in fuel can cut off many early options such as nades, bars/zooks, and even slow your overall tech.
The cost investment that is so easily killed can set USF tech back into the GG area as you have been so slow on tech you simply cant stay in the game

Brah, you can't account for a player's badness when designing a unit. Of course if you lose it it's bad. If you rush an AAHT and it hit's a teller mine it's also game ruining. That doesn't mean the AAHT needs a buff though.

Furthermore, "reducing cost increases early options". BRUHHHHH. First, bars and zooks early game? Are you ketten me? No one get's fast BARs (who techs bars to equip 1 squad early game) and zooks? Lel, that's the whole point of the WC51 - to counter the Kubel. You can still get nades, dude, it will just be delayed (as it should, since you have a garrisonable early vehicle). And again, you can refund the unit anyway, so one it comes out and does its damage and exhausts its usefulness, you refund it. If you are losing it, sorry, you're bad, no two ways around it, try Rifle company instead.

USF is strong anyway. It doesn't need the ability to field a WC51 and a M20 at the same time by reducing WC51 cost. Pick one or the other (or pick WC51, refit it, and get M20 anyway).

If you look at the grander scheme of things maybe you will see some other issues. Maybe the WC51 is thought of as being bad because it comes from a bad doctrine? Maybe it's bad because people are incapable of microing it correctly? Maybe it's bad because grenadiers are equipped with infinite range, target locking and movement seeking panzerfausts? In my opinion, the reason why it's not too good is because of the Panzerfaust from grenadiers. That doesn't mean the WC51 needs a buff though. It just makes it a niche unit. For example, consider it's usefulness against Kubel openings, Osttruppen openings, or MG42 spam openings. The WC51 could easily be used as a "free flank" tool against MG42 spammers, or be used to push Osttrupen out of cover in early game fights to nullify their buff.

everytime i try mg spam i just get smoked from all directions. never worked for me against USF

Obviously dude. You can't make MGs and expect the USF to be dumb enough to not get smoke. You need to be smart enough to realize that if you're spamming MGs, he will try to do that, and that it is wise to play accordingly (plant s-mine fielnds, rush T2 for PGs or 222 for support, relocate MGs after he smokes to behind the smoke, etc)

The games I've played this patch as Ostheer against USF usually go like this, btw: 3 gren + MG survives till 222. Then I think "now what"? I get another MG or sniper usually to help fight rifles since grens lack great viability till LMG42. The biggest problem I've actually had is dealing with Pack howi and Pershing lmao. Most games I lose are late game losing PGs to 1 pershing shot and the pershings crazy alpha damage with it's ability.

tl;dr early game is still ez against USF if you l2p

wtf nosli, everyone knows that you dont like coh2. Comparing PE 222and Wehr 222 is like comparing apples and oranges. 222 is absolutely fine in terms of performance. Could maybe cost still 20 fuel.

That must be why I have over 600 hours of Coh2 and am top 100 with two factions in 1v1 and top 50 with several partners in 2v2? Kappa

I was simply pondering why in Coh 2 where most units lethality compared to Coh1 seems high, why the 222 got significanrly worse against infantry. Ruh dich aus alter