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Jump back to quoted post14 Jul 2013, 03:36 AMwehrman

There are people who want/need to be the first to have something. These are the people who stand in line 3 days before the new iphone comes out, or a new Star Wars movie, etc. I guess it makes them cool.

So I choose to be uncool. But at least I still got my $60. Benefits of not being a teenager I guess and having learned from a few bad experiences.

I played the beta after getting a key from the FB like thing. I literally played 3 games and realized it wasn't for me. And believe me, i really, really, really wanted to like it. I started late with COH, so I wanted to be part of that first wave of the new game.

I heard a lot of pros on here complaining about the issues with the game. So I decided to follow along and not commit. Yet, every time a new patch was released, it was like flies flocking to shit. I get it. Many here have a vested interest in the new game. After all, we're called COH2.org. Good or bad, it's where the volume was going to be and you need volume for popularity, ad sales, etc. No issues, I'm American. Viva Capitalism.

The thing is, I don't have a lot of time. So if I'm going to play a game, I want it to be fun and challenging. COH2 doesn't do it for me, so I stick with COH, even with all the issues. I check back here almost daily, skimming a few posts, hoping to see a string of good news. But when I see a lot of COH pros going back or just not playing COH2, it doesn't give me a lot of hope.

Believe me $60 isn't an issue for me. But I'm not going to pay full price for it out of principle. Your buys count, and unfortunately everyone who just bought the game blindly didn't give Relic much push to get this game right. Balance issues aside, all the back end stuff like leader board, lobby, etc. I mean come on.

But it's all good. I do hope those who bought in continue to play and continue to give educated info back to the devs. If they get the game right, we all win. And those who bought in early should be rewarded, especially if they turn it around and deliver a long lasting game in the vein of COH. Doesn't seem fair that a bunch of us can stay on the sidelines and then join the fun at a discounted price. But I guess we'll never be part of the cool crowd : )

Jump back to quoted post3 Jul 2013, 05:01 AMRogers

The original servers hosted by Quarzel or whatever the fuck it was called was sniped/bought by Ubisoft. Relic did not know that was going to happen. They were also loosing their Publisher at the time so things were fairly... hectic? So what did Relic do, they were faced with TWO OPTIONS. Loose COH multiplayer entirely. ORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR switch to steam servers via a deal to host their content. They chose to continue support through steam instead of just having multiplayer go away. Yes its rough right now, and shitty. THEY KNOW, it will be worked on when they have their own servers/ladder/leaderboards set up. If you think you are entitled to INFINITE post launch support you obviously do not read that EULA... Use Licence Agreement You know that little legal block of text that EVERYONE just clicks agree to before you install the game?

They owe you NOTHING legally after you buy they game. NOTHING. All THEY OWE YOU is what is on the CD/DVD or Steam version. No post launch support is promised or assured. If this seems unfair to you, you may want to start hitting decline and return you're games because its the same agreement with every EULA just about.

Jump back to quoted post1 Jul 2013, 21:04 PMChampism

Its coming they are getting it ready to their new server.

Jump back to quoted post27 Jun 2013, 14:05 PMNorfolkNClue

I think that the main problem is that games have to use UDP to talk to each other. UDP is an unreliable protocol, but for reasons of speed, especially in real-time games like CoH, it is used pretty much exclusively.

So, when a UDP packet is dropped (for any reason along the route), the sending machine has no way of knowing that it has been, and will continue merrily firing off packets to their destination. If there's enough packets dropped, then the receiver will think that the the sender has died. Compounding this if the packet size is larger than normal, then the packet will get broken into more fragments than normal (every packet is broken up so that they sit within the network's configured MTU size, larger packet means more fragments). If any *one* of those fragments get lost, then the whole packet is dropped.

It's actually surprising that any UDP games work at all, ever really.

What I'm trying to say is that the way CoH works is an established method, but is subject to the vagueries of the internet and its routing. If your current route is traversing a poorly configured network, then the chances of you dropping packets increases. The reasons are countless.

As for how the client handles this, that's a different matter, but at some point if it suddenly can't communicate with another machine, you can't expect it to sit there for ever waiting for the traffic that will never come because of some problem along the way that no-one [in this context, no-one is either player or relic. Clearly someone has control over it somehere ] has any real control over.

I imagine the client's behaviour could be improved, but so could anything. After watching the development of this game over the last few months, I actually give the devs some credit in that if it's something that they can do something about, they will.