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Jump back to quoted post8 Sep 2019, 07:13 AMMazianni

2x IRstgs outdps the MG34 up until range 25 and are individually 3x as potent as a waffen kar 98k up until range 11 (which admittedly does not sound very impressive, but it goes to show how strong ober kar98ks are) They also have better moving accuracy and dps than either weapon.

I do think the cover ignoring ability is important though, especially in the late game where the ground is covered in craters and burned out hulks. If we consider the DPS lost to cover penalties, I think double STGs may actually approach LMG34 DPS at max range.

Heres a crude* calculation at max range (35) using light cover (so I do not have to factor in damage as well; results would be the same regardless here as only the accuracy modifiers differ between these weapons)

STGs
(3.183*2)*0.9 = 5.7294
LMG34
14.22*0.5 = 7.11

LMG34 still wins, but it is not so clear cut anymore. Now lets see about range 25, the range where the LMG34 begins to outdps the double STGs normally.

STGs
(6.707*2)*0.9 = 12.0726
LMG34
13.191*0.5 = 6.5955

This is a massive improvement; the mostly ignored cover penalty means the IR STGs are almost twice as effective at this range, and this difference only grows the closer one gets.

*A more comprehensive calculation would mean inputting the new accuracy values into the cruzz dps formula directly and then recalculating dps. I am too tired to do this tonight and these numbers should still reflect reality regardless.

Jump back to quoted post8 Sep 2019, 03:54 AMelchino7

Because Firestorm is not a good commander ?

The assault package are SMGs, which have a huge drop off from mid to long range. The STG package for Volks is still better all around, what the assault package might give you is indeed utility.

DON'T USE THEM as if they were assault Grenadiers. Think about PGs Elite with actual long range dmg.

Just for the sake of curiosity i did some test to compare Obers with IR STG vs LMG34 against Shocks.

Around 4/8 runs each, Obers staying still waiting for Shocks to get face to face.
No cover, yellow and green
Vet 0 and vet 3, both on equal vet. So either 0 vs 0 or both vet 3.


In every case, the IR STG stays on top against the LMG34 (either by doing more dmg or actually winning)

Vet 0:
No cover: basically you never win. I got 1/8 win with STG but it was a sliver of health left.
Yellow/green: REALLY close but you win like 33% of the cases with STG and only 1/8 runs the LMG34 won. In the case of the LMG34 it had great variance for some reason.

Vet3:
No cover: 50/50 with STG and pretty close but mostly losing with LMG34
Yellow/Green: reliable (+75%) won with STG and 50/50 with LMG34.

In any case, Shocktroops basically lose like 25%/40% till they manage to get face to face (you can retreat without losing meaningful HP). I didn't tried with nades, cause in both cases, both units get access to either smoke + normal nade or nuke + cancer smoke nade.


PD: Something that didn't happened at vet0 is that on 2/8 cases with the IR STG, is that they suppressed the Shocks (anecdotal cause it was mostly at the end of the fight). I forgot about that, the IR STG has passive suppression (no, it's not the abilitiy)
PD2: i forgot that Obers Kar have passive suppression.

Jump back to quoted post8 Sep 2019, 01:14 AMinsaneHoshi

Despite OP's idea being a silly proposal, does anyone actually think that the IR STGs are in a good spot? The way I see it there is no reason to get them over the lmg34.