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Siphon X. please name a AAA title you want on Steam, GCS will buy it for you, your work has been simply marvellous, informative, and helpful. Message me when you can.
i just registered, because i want to point out a few points from someone, who isn't involved in this communitiy and all the accusations around (bias, hate etc.) - i don't know anyone here outside of following the tournament. And after following this discussion i registered . I hope i can calm down some of you.
1. I cannot see anything pointing towards a preference for DevM from "official" side
1.1. For me it's clear, that in the "officials" thinking, the solution found was a disadvantage for DevM
1.1.1 Because the rules state clearly, that in this case (bugsplat, but very obvious advantage for one player) the referees can give the win to the advantageous player (irrelevant who had the bugsplat) and this could have been executed in this case (independent from rules of other tournaments or what another person in the chat told)
1.2. A_E - for me as an outsider - looks more on Vons side (when he said "but the game was not over yet" or similar when the others clearly stated that DevM was the winner and could/should be handed the win over)
2. Von doesn't look like someone, who talks much in comparison to DevM, so (from what i see from the talking before the match even starts), so it is no sign of favor or interdiction, if DevM talks more in percentage
3. "shut the fuck up" - like they said, the chatting was very fast, so...
3.1. ...the order of the statements in the protocol cannot prove, who A_E adressed with it
3.2. ...is a rather comprehensible way to show, that you want the others to stop writing and concentrating on that, which will follow from your side (because it is so rude, it is more likely to be noticed and followed)
3.3. however it wasn't the right choice of language
4. The solution was clearly seen as disadvantageous for DevM, because he should or at least could have named the winner of the game and therefor the match
4.1. DevM wasn't part of the decision making from what i see; he had the same role as Von (agreeing or disagreeing)
4.1.2. However to add, I had to ask DevM twice because I felt it was such a disadvantage to him.
I think Siphon summed it up perfectly to be honest. Anyone with common sense can see the outcome that was reached was sensible. And anyone can take small quotes out of context or apply a twisted perception of them to 'back up their point' ( Dangerous Cloth).
I am genuinely a VonIvan and DevM fan and the the fact that G5 was essentially a complete rematch of G4 was a good call by DevM choosing that map and faction to make it fair. Not only this But Von got the win for the Bugsplat which then meant he was in a stronger position than G4 because he only needed to win G5 to proceed to finals instead of having to win G4 AND G5.
Only thing that can sensibly be disputed was the handling of the situation and not the result. Even then where people are quoting How A_E told Von to shut the fuck up (le_saucisson_masque ) you forget hooligan actually commented directly after von and before A_E said this which helps to show it wasn't aimed at any one person. So to try to say that it was aimed soley at von is at best a twisted perception of it. I can empathise with A_E editing the chat log slightly because of the language used however the alterations kept the same intentions to the un-edited meaning.
Overall it could have been handled more sensitively but under that kind of time pressure with 1600 people waiting for the live stream as well as a tough situation I think its really quite understandable.
This has been one of the only Tournaments I've watched the whole way through because of how enjoyable it is, keep up the good work A_E
This is a fair and well worded assessment, cheers. And thanks for the kind words.
Woah, this takes the features of a crusade and a counter-jihad. This tournament was supposed to bring the community together, not divide it once and for all, right?
To summarize the two positions, it would go as follows: A_E took a decision, which he regrets to some degree (?), but within a high-pressure situation, where he had to take care of the tournament organisation, the stream AND refereeing. In this context, he used inapporpriate language (who could blame him for that) to silence everyone. However, Von thought this was directed against him personally, and together with the bias towards DevM (which A_E has posted about previously), believes that he was cheated basically. A_E on the other hand stated more than once that this decision had nothing to do with any affiliation to DevM. Nevertheless, many people on the forum started to personally attack A_E, who in turn posted the (slightly altered) chat here. With the alternation and the discussions on the forums, the whole thing started to escalate up until now, where we probably reached a stalemate.
To summarize, this argument is less about the decision itself, but rather about personal allegations from both sides. Maybe you should start clearing up those first, before you can come to an agreement on the referee decision?
To be honest I don't think the result is in doubt. More just my integrity is being questioned, as it could have been misinterpreted. I have some great ideas involving Von and Hans that will make everyone happy again. I will wait until this has settled down before I consult them.
The chat logs were altered in his original post. He's changed them now to the original, but before he had "shut the fuck up" replaced with "be quiet", so as to make it look like I wasn't silenced from what I read.
I would also like to note that, while my army is obviously battered, my P4 was not destroyed, yes it was 1% health, and I had 3 squads and was about to get repairs. However what people keep forgetting is I still had 341 VPS to DevM's 191 VPS, meaning I had time to regroup, rebuild, and repair. People act like they've never seen coh2 miracle comebacks before, in high level play.
As a side note, what is done is done, I am not trying to alter anything or change the course of what has happened in the tournament, like I said, DevM advances, and I have congratulated him for it. My biggest regret in the tournament is not game 4 or 5, but game 1, where I chose to go maxims instead of penals. Maxims, even with bulletins and vet, cannot prevent flanks vs grens with the micro DevM had, I underestimated. I am respectfully upset about how things played out with the rules and what was said on steam and stream however, with game 4 and 5. I hope this issue will never arise again in the future, as it makes me sick to my stomach.
You chose to consult with momo and price during this. I know that because price was messaging me as it was going on. Two people banned for cheating during placements. You had your mind poisoned from the start and were never ready to see this fairly. You have propagated lies and confusion designed to cause as much drama as possible. And are attempting to play the role of Jesus for the crowd.
You lost even though myself and the referees gave you a free win.
You also chose to take me telling everyone to shut the fuck up, as a personal directive to you, when I said it to everyone. I edited the sentence in the chat log cus I was embarrassed I swore and came across so authoritarian. Not to hide any 'bias'.
Your bullshit is not flying with me. In fact you're beginning to look like a very sore loser.
Also nearly every major tourney ever in this community has had some exaggerated meta drama, SNF, OCF, ESL, War Paint. There's a certain portion of the community only out for the drama. That's why a lot of this thread should be taken with a pinch of salt.