Yeah, that's the decision that's got everyone up in arms. Why did all of a sudden DevM get preferable treatment? Von should have been given the win for that game and moved on like normal to the next game.
Based on the rules of this tournament we should have given DevM the win, which would have ended in a worse shit storm.
I'm not saying the rules are perfect, they're clearly not.
But we did not act in a way that favoured DevM, and it is regrettable that it would appear to anyone that way. |
I agree that there probably isn't anything DevM could do to fix his issues with any reasonable amount of effort. That doesn't excuse his attitude about the whole thing.
I do not think Von was winning that series no matter what you decided at that point. I do find it somewhat concerning that you seem so willing to hand a player the win outright without the other player conceding to it, even if you ended up giving him the loss as has been the custom in most(all?) tourneys so far (but with a cherry of an extra pick on top).
I completely agree that this was a small fuck up by me overall, to not have better rules in place, and to think of a custom solution instead of just saying replay the game. There is no dispute there.
However I'm just trying to ensure people do not think I acted in a way that favoured DevM, based on the rules he could have been given the win. Regardless the situation ended in a direct rematch that DevM won so it ended ok. |
It was his second bugsplat, he got away the first time (in a very unfavorable situation) and then and there you said: DevM is notorious for giving players a rematch when they get a bugsplat. Then when DevM gets a bugsplat in a less favorable moment, we suddenly don't treat rematches anymore? Then suddenly we have tournament organizers making decisions?
In the first bugsplat situation the opponent got to choose if there would be a rematch, and mind you, that game was pretty much over too. Now however, VonIvan was not given that right. Further more, you take away that same right from VonIvan and then give DevM a free win by basically giving him faction and map selection. Of course VonIvan agreed with those terms, because you guys basically decided that it would be that way, or he was out. Choice much? I don't think so!
I said it in the chatbox and I will say it again here, your bias played a strong part here. If it had been Barton in DevM's situation, it would have been a loss.
The rule is literally if there's no agreement and one player is clearly winning the win goes to that player.
However to stop people accusing me of bias and claiming DevM had a free win I tried to think of a fairer solution that would keep fans happy, and offer a sportsmanlike competitive solution to von and devm.
Obviously in your eyes we failed to do that, but hopefully for most people it turned out in a fair way. |
Yeah me too this is plain BS. Ae and his buddy Devm playing god while von is told to be quiet...AE showed his colors. This tournament is dead for me
Von was not told to be quiet, I had a plan in place to fly von over to england, I was full ready and prepared for him to win this game, I told the chat to be quiet as it was going a millions miles a minute.
DevM is not my buddy per se, I respect him as a player, but have not ever really spoken to him before GCS. |
Well, I'm not saying that devm didn't deserve to win. He played better and he would have won in ace game even without additional handicap. I'm just saying that in future tournaments there should absolutely no tolerance for bugsplats. Especially in BO5 and up.
For example in motosports if engine breaks in a car nobody says "Well, we do admit he lost this race but he should start one lap before everybody else next time becouse he had a bad luck". No. He just loses the race. And that is all.
Not to mention that if devm played a game more he would know how to avoid these situations so one could say that bugsplats are his disadvantage.
Yeah I can see where you're coming from and don't disagree, like I said in the OP I think our rules left a lot to be desired in this situation as did my judgement call. I'm just glad it turned out OK in the end. |
You told the guy to be quiet FFS....are you high on drugs again like last night or what?
I was on paracetamol and ibuprofen standard painkillers that have no side effects like that at all.
I wish I hadn't said that but it was to all people in that chat, to hooligan, devm, and von. So I could propose a solution. it was a pressured situation. I feel like it turned out fairly, but I regret that we had not just followed the rules and given DevM the win, or said to rematch. Because the weight is now all on me.
I'd rather take the shit than one of the players though, so whatever...... |
Whatever man, I regret putting money into this tourney now. This is just plain up biased.
Based on the rules von could have been out of the tourney there and then, we gave it another game.
I don't understand why it was biased...  |
Things out of context? That is the main referee telling VonIvan that the game was his by the rules. Then you march in and bend the conditions so that DevM gets insane advantages xd
Yeah but tehre's only one rule and it's clearly stated, he also says it's clearly DevM that has won, and had sent me PMs that effect. He contradicted himself with that one line, it was confusing yes. |
My issue comes from the lack of transparency.
But I'm literally being as transparent as possible, hence this post |
This chat log is scandalous....Von Ivan didnt get to say a word while AE and his buddy DevM decided what is to be done despite DevM loosing the game to bugsplat.
This ruins all of GCS for me...Too bad I donated money to this
Von could have spoken as much as he liked, he was very quiet, and he was asked to speak up. I only told people to shut up for a moment to clear comms so I could make the proposal that was made. |
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