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Thread: Some thoughts on OKW and their issues.31 Mar 2021, 22:04 PM Jump back to quoted post31 Mar 2021, 20:15 PMGeblobt Both way too good. The Volks-Cons/Rifle matchup is currently fine for the first few minutes. Yes, with Stg Sturmpioneers Jump back to quoted post31 Mar 2021, 20:15 PMGeblobt 2 more combat veterancy bonuses seem to good They lost their weapon upgrade In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Some thoughts on OKW and their issues.31 Mar 2021, 15:03 PM That's just my opinion but Volksgrenadiers 260/26 One man added (now a 6 men squad from the start) STG 44 upgrade removed Veterancy 4 bonus (sight range) replaced with -15% RA bonus Veterancy 5 bonus (passive healing) replaced with -15% weapon cooldown Sandbags replaced with Conscripts sandbags wall Now they can pick up dropped weapons [1 slot] (obviously since there's no stg44) Sturmpioneers 300/25 Now starts as a 5 men mp40 squad (with Assault Grenadiers MP40) After one truck has been fully set up they can upgrade >Assault(or whatever) upgrade 60/80 munitions 4 Panzergrens STG (more mid range oriented, previously this is what Sturm stg were before being tweaked to a more close range profile) and an unremovable minesweeper always carried by a model >Panzerjäger(or whatever) upgrade that is the current one >Minesweeper upgrade (mutually exclusive with Assault upgrade of course but not with Panzerjäger upgrade) In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Some thoughts on OKW and their issues.31 Mar 2021, 14:41 PM Jump back to quoted post31 Mar 2021, 14:35 PMthedarkarmadillo Much as I loathe the STG upgrade... What about extra Stgs with tech? Maybe +1 with second truck and another if needed at panzer authorization? Could even do one with the 3rd truck too and then they would have a full 5 stgs with full tech. Or even a separate upgrade in schwere (could put the Ober lmg behind that too if you felt the need), Like I said I don't like the stgs and their design but it's something that could fix their scaling without relying entirely on vet or making them more like rifles lite with Stat buffs. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: COH2 change proposal vote pool31 Mar 2021, 14:34 PM Jump back to quoted post31 Mar 2021, 14:22 PMthedarkarmadillo Volks self heal would be a great bonus if it came at a reasonable time. All other units that have it get it at vet 3 or sooner. Volks had their vet gutted and then tryed to make up for it by slapping features onto them. It's like pulling the transmission in a car and giving it a cool spoiler because it isn't winning any races. Oh absolutely, you are right, but I think that sight range and passive heal are remnants of a different OKW that lacked recon options and easy backteching into med/opel ambulance. Nonetheless, I don't think they fit a mainline infantry veterancy pool, all while the actual vetermacy combat bonuses of Volksgrenadiers are quite poor. Replacing it with combat bonuses seems more appropriate. Even better, a RA bonus rather than a lethality bonus (cooldown/accuracy). I still think that STG volks were overall a mistake (and so was the new panzerfusilier design) and 6 men volks with no upgrades, grenadier kar98k and buffed combat veterancy and veterancy RA bonuses would have better fit OKW throughout the entire game while leaving the main role of AI to the actual units meant to In: COH2 Balance
Thread: COH2 change proposal vote pool31 Mar 2021, 14:23 PM Jump back to quoted post31 Mar 2021, 14:16 PMjagd wölfe Volks absolutely scale badly, they could just get some more veterancy bonuses tho, their actual veterancy is very poor besides some gimmicks like extra sight and passive healing (which imho don't fit mainline role at all and could be replaced with combat bonuses) 7 men cons aren't a bad idea, especially with the ost matchup, and overall make using non cons upgrade commanders with cons/T2 build competitive by offering a non doc upgrade option so it is well designed), is that volks are quite poor in comparison while being more expensive in mp and muni costs. An extra -15% RA and +10÷ accuracy for example In: COH2 Balance
Thread: COH2 change proposal vote pool31 Mar 2021, 14:16 PM Volks absolutely scale badly, they could just get some more veterancy bonuses tho, their actual veterancy is very poor besides some gimmicks like extra sight and passive healing 7 men cons aren't a bad idea, especially with the ost matchup, and overall make using non cons upgrade commanders with cons/T2 build competitive by offering a non doc upgrade option so it is well designed), is that volks are quite poor in comparison while being more expensive in mp and muni costs In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Some thoughts on OKW and their issues.31 Mar 2021, 12:36 PM Jump back to quoted post31 Mar 2021, 12:31 PMKatitof There is an extremely good reason actually. Multiple in fact. Originally they came WITH MG34 and had a cost of 440mp, IRSTG stacked with MG34 too. First reason, obviously is to prevent weapon stacking. 2nd one is to make it affordable mp-wise and to not have them have 50mp reinforce cost anymore. Their MP cost reduction came with several nerfs to its veterancy and stats, in fact, that 440 mp unit would passively suppress any squad it engaged, a munition cost to make a 340 mp unit actually DO ANYTHING on top of further delaying the last infantry squad to reach the battlefield is totally unwarranted In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Some thoughts on OKW and their issues.31 Mar 2021, 12:23 PM There's absolutely no reason for Obersoldaten to have to purchase their mg34. The squad is a completely useless bleeding pig without it. It doesn't matter if they end up behind Panzer Authorization but they should come out of that Flak HQ with their mg as they used to. They are ot 6 men Paradropped squads with elite m1 carbines and neither are Guards with ptrs that can receive an upgrade to further supplement their AI capability with dp28s. IR stg should be their own call in infantry unit as many people discussing ir stg in Smartie's commander rework thread pointed out. The cover modifier gimmick makes it quite inconsistent and should be tweaked or the weapon itself changed In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Some thoughts on OKW and their issues.29 Mar 2021, 19:46 PM Jump back to quoted post29 Mar 2021, 19:21 PMMr Carmine I am not that big on okw. But if okw volks scale so poorly because off obers, why not let obers come out lmg34 and all or a bit earlier or both. This way you dont "have" buff volks and raise their cost and thus have no need for obers. I agree with this. Obers without mg34 are a waste of mp, it's a bit like having shocks need to pay 80 munitions to upgrade for ppsh. The reason it was changed was the stg 44 ir upgrade but as many people suggested, that upgrade works in a weird inconsistent way and it would be better to be reowrked as call in doctrinal unit In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Some thoughts on OKW and their issues.29 Mar 2021, 19:43 PM Jump back to quoted post29 Mar 2021, 18:39 PMSerrith Brits start with infantry section instead of RE. For the cost, just add the difference in mp cost to OKW starting resources. This is not the point, the issue is another. Sturmpioneers are needed, 100% you always need one of them, and their combat value is only shown at early game. In: COH2 Balance