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The issue is that everyone I've talked to has played on it, and thats why they don't like it. (Von, Tali, ect

This is just too funny to comment on. Von played it tonight and acted like he had never seen it before and had no idea how to play it.

I don't take any of this personally. I take it as a chance to learn more about mapping and to get more information out there about mapping.

A few people said it has too many sight blockers. I agreed.

The house is a little strong for the south cutoff. I agreed. But was pointing out that it has not proven strong in any of the games I have seen. And that top players have not been playing so we dont have any data to say what it will be like.

North house is OP for Brits. I can see that. But it is a faction design issue. Not a map issue. If brits were designed to remove hedgerows then they should be able to remove them.

It seems like I have an issue and I do in a way. Getting people to verbalize what they dont like is a problem because they are not mappers. So they dont know the lingo. So all I have ever tried to do is get people to state what they do and do not like. But most people dont give it a chance and just say "I not like it a lot." And as you have said for years, that doesnt help anybody. So I keep asking and say things like "give an example please".

As you stated this is not my map. But Relic was cool enough to say "lets make the best with the known entities we have." So that was the goal. If Relic removes Angoville I don't care. If they are not going to remove it, shouldnt we try to make it as best we can?

We as a community should share AE's enthusiasm that this was the original COH map. And do what we can to make it the best it can be. But instead we have an angry mob with pitch forks and veto buttons who have played it maybe once and given no good reasons what would be better

I am all for transparency on this stuff. I do not want it to be backroom meetings with a few special people deciding the fate of the game for everyone. So I like to talk it out so we can all figure it out together. If I have to look like an idiot to get it going, I am ok with that.

So for Angoville I have so far:
1. Cresc - Boring.
2. Syraw - Likes it. Would like more standard VP layout.
3. Farlon - Feels like a labyrinth. Too many sight blockers.
4. Luciano - South cutoff house is OP. Sight blockers feel random.
5. Shadowlink - Thinks asymmetric design will be an issue when needing VPs. North house OP with vickers.
6. NorthWestFresh - says it is sucky. Have to agree.
7. VonIvan - Veto?
8. Anon top player - Cutoff house needs to go. Too many sight blockers.
9. AE - Remove the map.
10. Blvckdream - Remove the map.
11. GIaA - Remove the map.
12. Skemshead - Too many sight blockers.

EDIT: This list last updated 12/2/2018

One possible change would be cliff objects with sight blockers. About the only object demos will not blow up.

... regardless of whether or not you go left and are able to capitalize on more resources, you are still required to go right inorder to capture VPs.

In the matches I have watched, the left VP decides the game. Almost every game has been one each right side. Player that holds the left side wins. More games are needed for valid stats and better ranked players.

The northern garrison with a vickers can overlook both the left side cutoff, a large portion of the souths pushing area as well as the right side. It's even worse with vickers vet.

The vickers can see thru sight blockers to the left? Explain please. In testing the vickers could not see the left side of the map.

Here is the overhead with some explainations about why sight blockers are where they are.

1. Some of the large buildings were moved to the right of the map to keep the look alive. They were then surrounded by sight blockers so they are not over powered.
- North houses have limited sight by the yellow lined hedgerows.
- South houses have limited sight by the green lined hedgrows.

2. The dark red lined hedges are so that a single MG cannot cover the whole right side of the map. The MG will have to be microed to be effective. And most MGs will get flanked thru the muni passages (as Jove did when he played it).

3. The large trees and the verticle shed (RED X's) should be removed. They create a little too much sight block and I have never seen anyone put units in the shed for sight or to attack the fuel.

4. The blue lined areas are buildings and heavy cover to attack the cutoff house. The purple hedgerows are also kept tight to the house for safe flame or grenade attacks to the cutoff house.

5. The sight blockers on the LEFT side are all designed to decrease MG dominance and allow you to select the engagement distance you want to take. The old map had ZERO sight blockers on 85% of the map. None on this side at all. Like Crossroads you approach the hedge from the distance and angle you want. Sturms get close to the hedge then come around it. Volks stay away from the hedge and move around it to get sight and select your longer attack entry. After you see whats is there you can fall back behind the sight blocker and approach from a different angle or wait for another squad to assist the push. There are no "random" sight blockers no the map.