Profile of Rosbone

Map is Crossing in the Woods.

Tbh my biggest issue with team games is the lack of maps.

It seems like the maps I usually veto are the same ones 50% of players veto. Then the other 50% must veto the maps I dont. So every match lately has been Lienne Forrest or Hill400. Those two maps are the venn diagram maps. The ones that appeal to both types of players.

I usually veto Essen Steelworks, City 17, General Mud, and La Gleize. Those maps feel big and I have fewer fun games on them. I like to play smaller maps like Redball Express or Port of Hamburg. Because I want a meat grinder.

I play team games for the Absoulte shit show of hell going on, ...

This guy gets it

There has been some talk of maps and the perfect size. There are a lot of factors to think about besides size but I wanted to put up some numbers for reference.

Opening the Worldbuilder and measuring from approximately the closest BASE-to-BASE point and measuring the Widest Width in relation to the bases I have some numbers.

MAP NAME	CLOSEST BASE	MAP WIDTH
Hill 400	312	535
Lienne Forrest	320	475
Port of Hamburg	357	392
La Gleize	375	552
Essen Steelworks	380	568
General Mud	395	559
Lorch Assault	410	489
Steppes	445	605
Redball Express	445	316
Lanzerath Ambush	460	390

From this table I would say the best map size is something like Lienne Forrest.

The bases need to be around 300 - 400 meters apart. Otherwise it takes forever to get to the front line and forward HQs become OP.

The thing that helps flanking is width. The map needs to be wide enough to allow for flanking but not so wide that blobbing is OP. For example playing Steppes 3v3 is just a blob fest, zero fun. And too small means you can barely flank at all, for example 4v4 Redball.
For a 4v4 I think 400 to 500 would be optimal.
For a 3v3 I think 300 to 400.

Of course the map layout greatly decides how it plays. If all of the important points are in the corners the map feels too big, because it takes forever to get to the front line. A map like Essen feels very large because of the maze of buildings and tight corridors. You are always far away from where you want to be, because you cant get straight there.

ARTILLERY COMMENTS
I would be all for limiting artillery pieces to two for each player Why do we limit KTs and not artillery?

oh yeah i used anything i liked from every corner of sets, my map have it all lol . . . what u mean by "bunch making land bridges" ? i was experimeting with bridges 1st time i think i have just 5 of them. is it functioonal if they just stick on each shores , or are there some additional options to it ?

To see if the problem was pathing related, I connected each bend of the map using normal terrain height adjust. Usually those new paths were blocked by objects so I deleted a bunch of objects to clear the way.

. . . so du u reccomend me to bring down the number of objects to 3000 ???

Like I said earlier, you are in uncharted terrain I would start by going into the blueprint list and deleting all of the buildings from one of the building sets and then test. See if it makes a difference.

I think most of the knowledge about mapping is from trial and error testing. There is not an official RELIC document with guidelines? There may have been knowledge passed down from Relic devs etc in the past.

Some of the myths/legends/facts gathered thru the ages are:
- Multiple water sources require multiple draws of the map for reflections and could slow your FPS.
- Multiple building sets is bad because it is believed Relic loads the entire set into memory. So having four sets is similar to loading two or three maps into memory at once.

These may be true. If so, I would start with the building removal. If not, it will make no difference.

6283 sir

This seems like an odd number to max out on objects. But the theory makes some sense.

USF base is very complicated and may be made up of many objects, therefore the map crashes immediately. Because you have exceeded some imaginary line. Simpler armies may be able to load ab play a bit before the model count exceeds the imaginary line. Whether that line is Video Card memory or what is another question. Since people have differing amounts of RAM it should play for some and not others. But we both seem to be getting the same results. I currently have 8 GB of videocard memory and 8 GB of PC memory.

Another thing I did not look at is:
It is normally good practice to not use buildings from more than one building set. Are you using buildings from for example Industrial and Rural building sets?