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Thread: Tiger VI Overnerfed?1 Aug 2020, 01:15 AM Jump back to quoted post1 Aug 2020, 00:30 AMZzoner tiger_sdkfz_181_mp So basically, Pershing is still (arguably) way better than tiger in AI and AT bar the range advantage of tiger, plus the Pershing is being supported by Jacksons. I would agree that all heavies were hit hard, but that's very healthy for the infantry and strategic, in general, gameplay (just look how many infantry based commanders resurfaced after the nerfs). I still play heavy tanks and really enjoy them, the thing right now is that you have to play them hit and run style, maybe they can overstay for a bit longer since they can soak 1-2 more shots. Also, heavies are very map dependent. You can't pick a pershing or tiger on Steppes and then complain they are swiss cheesed... I prefer them on urban maps, since most of them come with infantry well suited for close range combat. Tiger is still better at AT since the reload is shorter and the fact that only Brits have the premium Comet/Churchill on stock that a Tiger can bounce on (taking medium range). Tiger won't bounce on any stock soviet tank (IS-2 and ISU152 doctrinal can only bounce) Tiger vs Brits, only Comet can bounce (Churchill bounces rarely vs Tiger except Churchill Croc which bounces 1 in 4). Tiger vs USF, only doctrinal Pershing can bounce (1 bounce in 5). Pershing vs OST: All doctrinal heavies bounce, Panther bounces, Sturmpanzer bounces (rarely 1 in 10) Pershing vs OKW: All doctrinal heavies, Konigstiger (long range P4 and Jagdpanzer, also very rarely) So, Tiger most of the time doesn't need a lot of penetration to reap havoc vs allies. All it needs is some veterancy and a bit of infantry support to negate ally TDs (or get a helping hand from Jagdpanzer TD). Walking stukas and werfers are good arty to damage Jackson and SU-85 before the push. I've done it multiple times playing OKW Tiger vs jacksons mainly. Albeit that was standard casual Whiteball gaming so no fuss. And last but not least, vet3 Tiger vs vet3 Pershing still has ~0.5 sec shorted reload time which can be detrimental in the thick of the fight. So, stock Axis has Panther which is a direct counter to Pershing and as a big investment, Pershing needs to be able to trade hits with it for some time to get support vs Panther. That's the jest of it. Adding more penetration on Tiger wouldn't result in a buff while adding more penetration on Pershing wouldn't result in much, as Axis heavies have a lot of armour (375+ OKW, 300+ OST), so that would equate to a couple of percentages higher pen chance. Pershing to cost the same as those tanks while having much lower survivability for a fractionally better AI cannon is not worth it in my book. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: USF Calliope balancing1 Aug 2020, 00:12 AM Even though it is durable and it's existence is a troubling conundrum, it is quite inaccurate in long range. It's main point is, as Katitof said, shotgun placement. On the front itself carpeting a small area, but densely. I don't usually play Calliop commanders as I find the unit useless most of the time and nothing but a fat kid that likes to eat population. {{ Also, [bouncing]Puma has a 75% chance to bounce on medium range and 100% on close range so Calliope can be shot down easily enough by one puma, especially in chaotic teamgames, sneakily. That's at least, how I try to shut down stukas and werfers. One sneaky tank driving full speed on the map margins, coming from behind and shooting at it. Penetration of Puma is 160/120/80 which makes it a great light tank killer and medium tank harasser (50 range + speed) }} I mean, I'm not expert on the unit, but why use Calliope at all? I've seldom seen it do something substantial in my games. Usually it just carpets the OST or OKW encampment and calls it a day while doing little to no dmg (unless really close). One thing I did find is that most of the Calliope-taking-commander allies in 3v3s end up with least kills/dmg, by far. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Tiger VI Overnerfed?31 Jul 2020, 23:06 PM Jump back to quoted post31 Jul 2020, 22:12 PMDarkpiatre Sure bro, you're the best bro! Totaly right bro! Say what you want. 90% of searches start off with 80% Axis 20% allies searching which gets to 60/40 until 5-10 minutes and then the match is found. The other 10% are 90% allies 10% axis searches. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Tiger VI Overnerfed?31 Jul 2020, 11:24 AM What about Perhsing then? It was good at AI, now it's mediocre at it. Armour is that of Panther, HP is that of Panther and AT is weaker than Panther. It's 13 CP and in a commander who's only good thing are the rangers. Plus it's as expensive as other heavies. In other words, blobs are not afraid of it anymore, can't bounce anything except P4s so breakthroughs are a no-no. It's only good thing is the veterancy 3 when it becomes somewhat viable (which is often hard in teamgames for a "squishy" heavy). What about Pershing? In: COH2 Balance
Thread: UKF META build order that focuses on AEC?31 Jul 2020, 10:13 AM Jump back to quoted post31 Jul 2020, 08:53 AMadamírcz I never go Vickers nowadays My build is usually: second Section, UC, tech to sappers, bolster, AEC So 2 sections with Universal? Will give it a try, thanks! In: UKF Strategies
Thread: UKF META build order that focuses on AEC?31 Jul 2020, 08:11 AM Guys, I want to try myself out in competitive 3v3 as UKF (rank 64 3v3 USF) but so far I've only ever played custom games with random internet people and friends so I usually played every possible build for fun. What are the good build orders for UKF on maps that have strong building positions (vickers) and those that do not (no vickers build). Cheers in advance In: UKF Strategies
Thread: USF Calliope balancing30 Jul 2020, 22:18 PM Jump back to quoted post30 Jul 2020, 21:17 PMSander93 The Stuka's range is 120, the Calliope's is 130. You're looking at the weapon range which is essentially meaningless, instead of the cast range for the artillery ability. Isn't weapon range tied to cast range? What's the point of the existance of that attribute then? I didn't know weapon range means s*** In: COH2 Balance
Thread: USF Calliope balancing30 Jul 2020, 19:50 PM That's why it's range is 200. Whereas Stuka zu Fuss has a 1000 max range and 160 HP. In other words to use Calliope you need to get it to the front line. Stuka -> Low hp/armor, devestating precise long range strike Calliop -> Low range AOE rocket arty that may or may not kill. Also it's in salvoes so you have time to react whereas Stuka drops them in a sec or two making you pray that it misses. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: KV1's and KV8's main gun penetration 30 Jul 2020, 12:44 PM Jump back to quoted post30 Jul 2020, 12:14 PMSander93 Says who? The KV-8 is fairly popular (in teamgames) and can be quite devastating in certain scenarios. I've barely seen anyone complain about either its current power or its availability. Point is anyway that downgrading or upgrading a unit's performance and cost only works if that then puts it in a more unique position within the faction's roster. The KV-8 currently already holds a unique position as an expensive but very effective AI specialist. Moving its cost/performance down would make it have to compete with either the T-70, the T-34/76 or the T-34/85 which all already have excellent AI power for their respective costs, and I don't see how that would improve anything. Agreed. KV8 is fine as it is. It's cancerous, the weapon switching but also seldom. In realistic scenarios you won't fight a solo ostwind where KV8 can fire the 45mm uninterrupted and maybe destroy it (which would take a while). KV8 has great AI performance, is expensive and can be used as a tanky frontliner against encampments and infantry blobs. Leave it. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: SU-85 and SU-7630 Jul 2020, 08:02 AM Why is everyone wanting every TD to be "only counter heavy tanks" like heavy tanks are in every game. Panther comes with it's speed and armour and then what? Basically you want to force allies to make zook spams to deal with mediums. Pj4 from OKW (TD) is the same as SU-85 and nobody ever complains about it. It's a perfect medium TD. ~200 penetration with 230 frontal armour and 4.3 sec reload and target size 17. Compared to SU-85 it's got 90 armour more, 1 sec faster reload, less penetration (going against seldom heavy tanks) and 1 size bigger. You can easily see why ally TDs have the advantages they have. They have to go vs fast heavily armoured Panther and often enough Tigers and OKW P4s. Leave the ally TDs alone. You nerf SU-85, Panthers (stock) roll over the Soviet armoured divisions unless you get doctrinal tanks. Don't get me wrong, your changes are not bad, just that Panthers which are stock would be much more inclined to dive SU-85 due to the lower ROF. Utilize speed to make SU-85 constantly in "tracking" mode and not firing. In: COH2 Balance