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agreed like in the stream XD |
And why does USF deserve a 0min light vehicle? Brits have one because no mobile mortar. SU have to lock themselves in spec rifle building.
Brits MG and a light vehicle and USF only good think is riflemen that has to come close |
Who has decided it should perform like a comet? The t34/85 does not perform like a comet. Oven though it's a commander unit, one with more pen, health and armour (yes 10 whole points!) over the unit it's supposed to replace.
Its important to not only compare to what it's facing but what it's slated to replace. The sherman is a fine tank but for a little more you get a much much more potent tank. The rest of the commander is supposed to be about making rifles more dominant, and the E8 picks up the AT slack and does it bloody well.
I think E8 is the only useful in the commadner and all the others are trash exept from the flamer and E8 is only on 1 doc making it rare in a game to see thats why i think it should perform like comet and a lot of people said that they want it |
You seem to have some ridiculous notion that being in a commander means the unit NEEDs to be OP. The EZ8 is already a good tank, and the only reason your EZ8s under-perform is because YOU UNDER-PERFORM. Basically, you're bad at this game, and balance patches won't fix that.
Your balance opinion is basically worthless anyway. You will lose no matter what tank we give you, and you're going to blame it on the other side being OP, each and every time. You're consistently getting whooped despite using a statistically superior unit, and that just means you're bad at this game. An EZ8 losing in a tank fight vs a P4 is hilarious.
An EZ8 in a long range fight with a P4 needs an average of 39 seconds to kill the P4.
The P4 needs an average of 55 seconds to kill the EZ8. (41% longer time taken)
In a close range fight it's 34 seconds for the EZ8 to kill P4, but P4 needs 48 seconds to kill EZ8. (P4 needs 42% longer time to kill EZ8)
This is without even considering that the EZ8 has superb moving acc and the P4 gets a 50% penalty.
Tldr; l2p.
CUZ IT HAS GOOD ACCURANCE DOESNT MEAN IT CAN KILL Have you seen its AOE quess not 10 year old go to school then come home and see the coh2 stats from what you say i wont even try to talk with you about E8 you are not worth it |
Except that the stats prove EZ8 is massively superior in terms of penetration, has super high moving accuracy, and takes 5 tank shots to kill vs 4 tank shots to kill a p4. But yeah sure, you can let your bad play convince you of a different story.
Don't forget vehicle crew self-repairs as an advantage as well - the repair burden in the late game can get really bad for non-USF factions.
You know what i hate kids like you thinkign they are good E8 is a COMMADNER UNIT it should be like COMET it underperformes for a commander unit that gives you flamer throwers and loses smoke and when EVER you want 1v1 |
The problem is that the commander's name is Rifle Company, and REs are not Riflemen, they're a cheap 200 manpower builder/reserve sort of squad, and so their flamethrower doesn't really fit for a commander that's not meant to be in their support if that makes sense.
+1 |
alrighty so heres the numbers i have...
pen (c/m/f)
P4 120/110/100
E8 175/.165/155
armour (f/b)
P4 234/80
E8 215/80
chance to pen others front armour as percentage (c/m/f)
P4->E8 56/51/46
E8->P4 75/70/66
conclusion:
despite the p4s vaunted armour, it has significantly lower chance to pen the E8, having a lesser chance to pen it E8 at point blank than the E8 has tom pen it at max range
reload
P4 5.63
E8 6.43
scatter / what i recall moving acc being
P4 6.4 / 0.5
E8 6.2 /0.8
AOE
P4 2.5
E8 2
conclusion:
the p4 is better at killing infantry, better reload plenty offsets the slight edge the E8 has in accuracy... when stationary. the E8 however fires much more accurately on the move making it a great chaser.
acceleration/ deceleration/ max speed
P4 2.1/4/6.1
E8 2/4.1/6
Conclusion:
the E8 is more mobile, by a tiny insignificant margin, literally .1 of a unit in all categories
*bonus*
at vet 1 the E8 gets radio net which improves los by 5% and accuracy by 10% per allied vehicle
grand conclusion:
E8 superior in all fields save for killing infantry, and even there i think the .50 cal is a better MG than the mg34 on the okw p4 which may help make up for it.
This are so small changes for a commadner vs stock unit E8 should be like a comet but thats my opinion thats my thouth |
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i am a USF player but i have to agree that the ability panzer tactician are from commadner they should be useful its like shemran smoke screen and sherman can kill and escape and then laugh XD my point is that they must go for a commander its fine |
Why shouldn't it struggle with the rather expensive okw P4? If you make it too good against that then Ost is hopeless. Iirc it has a higher movement accuracy, something like 215 armour (making it the only allied medium aside from the comet that has any chance of bouncing any proper AT) and a respectable gun, better than the t34/85 for pen if I recall properly. What do you want from it? Immunity to bad play? Snares and mines should remain viable and AT should still be a threat, which it is. Less than any other medium but it needs to be counterable. You can't expect a single unit to just plow through the enemy's combined arms...
OKW P4 more ecpensive lat i check htye have exactly same price and P4 has 234 armour and faster realod insanly faster turret at vet and the fastest realod medium tank aside from 76 mm gun sherman from mecha and P4 bounce a lot more shots trust me cuz Allied AT sux |
Doesn't seem to be much love for RE flamers for some reason. I go Rifle Company whenever it's a map with significant garrison play.
EZ8 is a very good generalist battle tank. Trounces P4s with ease, and cheap enough to be fielded in multiples.
Getting sandbags and mines with Rifle Company would be amazing, would definitely make it a high tier pick. It'd finally be a reason to not lock in Heavy Cav 5 seconds into the game (on low garrison maps). E8 still struggles to pen OKW p4 and OKW p4 is stock unit and dotn forget the support cuz normally E8 wants to go aggresive vs P4 and as OKW raketens mines snare waits you |
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