Profile of Kurfürst

Somehow when I do the same calculations, I get different results.

Vet3 Conscripts in DBP: 678
Vet5 Obers in live: 804
Vet5 Obers in DBP: 643

Obers = 4 * 80 / [0.7 (target_size) * 0.71 (vet3)]

Are you sure you're taking Ober Vet0 target size into account?

I did, not sure if the math went right though.

In any case, the point is that Obers are late game, tech, manpower and munition intensive infantry units that are hard countered by all vehicles, received a lot of nerfs in the past, lost their built in MG and are as vulnerable to wipes to explosions as ever. To reach Vet 4, they need to do an insane amount of killing against lesser foes. So leave their RA bonuses be, they worked for it, any more nerfs and the unit is borderline broken.

And most importantly, either Obers can stay in the frontline even when they see a massive blob and do some damage to it and disencourage blobbing, or there will be just more Volks counter-blobbing once even Vetted Obers cease to work effectively. Which option is better for gameplay?

With DBP, even after all Veterancy they are basically on the same spot durability-wise as what was supposed to be the lamest, cheapest infantry (Cons) by the time Obers first hit the field or UKF infantry in late game craters .... Obers that work as intended and are unique or their watered down version that is basically just as IS squad that also fires on the move?

Was spamming Obers ever really a thing? Was it ever a problem? Because of their AT defiency, they can never work alone. And especially, how can WFA armies retain their double BARs/BRENs as their only justification, ie OKW infantry that dodges bullets literally ceased to exists..?

Who need obers (t4 expansive elite 4model )
when IS (t0 cheap 5model standard infantery sqad)
are much better?

Obers are getting much cheaper, which was long overdue since their original price reflected their status before nerfs after nerfs and even more nerfs, and the fact that they came with a MG-34 which now you will have to purchase for muni, without the ability build caches, oh, and its muni price just got 33% more expensive. Taking away their RA bonuses earned after insanely high Vet requirements in totally unwarranted still.

Effective HPs ((HP x model) / RA)

Vet 3 Conscripts in DBP: 680 EHP
Vet 5 Obers in live 707 EHP
Vet 5 Obers in DBP 589 EHP (same as in live/DBH Vet 3, they lost their 20% RA bonus)

IIRC in live with their RA they had about as much effective HP than Vet 3 Cons... however once you get within 10 meters of them, all their RA bonuses disappear and they are again a squishy 320 EHP squad, as vulnerable as Wehrs Pioneers...

IS are finally getting nerfed in their Vet 0 RA bonuses which was the thing that broke most early play against the Brits, as IS would just auto-win against anything you throw at them in 90% of the case, to the extent that even relative cover was almost ineffective.

Now as the accuracy and received accuracy Vet bonuses have been removed from OKW stock infatry (the nerf to Obers vet 4 RA vetarancy is excessive IMO) received such a resuffered , how about doing the same for Penals?

Volks and Sturmpios also lost +15% accuracy bonus to deal with Penals effectively, albeit the final +40 bonus comes earlier.

Penals however still get 0.85 received accuracy bonus at Vet 3, which just encourages spamming them since they can scale to late game just as well as Conscripts.

Removing the Vet 3 Received accuracy bonuses from Penals would fix them as a damage dealing unit that is to be used with tankier steady DPS Conscripts and not in place of them, thus preventing benefitting from early penal spam builds on the long run which results that you can have an all-in-one unit with strong AT and AI.

Give them an additional weapon slot instead at Vet 3 so if properly played and pick up the right weapons, they can become a squad with a lot of firepower, but has a weakness of still dropping models easily (but with fewer weapons drops).

The fact of the matter is that every other infantry squad is allowed to pick up dropped weapons, why Volks are not, why would they follow an entire different set of rules?

Volks are mediocre at best, even with the Stg upgrade. The Stg upgrade just makes the unit a bit more viable which otherwise plainly s*cks. They are only an issue when spammed (and spamming infantry gets a big fat nerf with the FRP changes), but the same applies to every infantry even more so. G43 Grenadier blobs, 15 second Penal spam, IS spam, Riflemen spam they all seem to punch above their weight when in fact it is the blob itself.

There is simply no rational arguement as to why Volks should be unable to pick up weapons when everyone else can.

Ever tried Rifleman's granade vs garrisons?