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Thread: Maxim improvement ideas.19 Sep 2019, 07:31 AM Jump back to quoted post19 Sep 2019, 07:20 AMmrgame2 About switching targets, always a chance it becomes amove reposition add to mg42 slowest packup and slowest ready aim time, you can see hmg42 is not all roses unlike the claims... So the claims of maxim not doing its job as mg is not correct... does it need any more buff than the recent free one...i just cannot fathom Maybe give SU mg-42 as stock mg, but call it "SG-43" with the same stats as MG-42 (4 man and e.t.c). All will be happy - germans will be not fight against 6 man HMG, SU got what they want. All happy. 2 birds - 1 stone. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: su76 need adjustments19 Sep 2019, 06:28 AM Jump back to quoted post18 Sep 2019, 21:54 PMKatitof Show me all these light vehicles who have up to 160 armor(pumas pen, SU-76 got even higher max pen, and more generous long range pen and pen dropoff, point is, no LV in game got as much armor as they got pen). What you're not getting for whatever reason is that units are balanced and scaled off these "magic baseline numbers" elchino was talking about, but it doesn't mean units have or can fight exclusively in their own "weight category". They are balanced for their timing and for other vehicles around that timing, nothing prohibits them from engaging later and heavier units, Puma is well known for roflstomping stock meds, while SU-76 used to be less bursty, more flexible SU-85 alternative. About SU-76 i already told - it must become only hardcounter against LV (get penetration to level of puma), while become AI support unit with some AT. I don't even see how su-76 balanced in it timeframe. Build subpar AT against mediums with some AI, why you need it at all? When you can build strong AT with some AI (Zis)? I already did show 2 possible ways from T3 with SU-76 as 1-st unit and 2-nd unit right after T-70. Both ways don't work at all for su-76 sake. You or lose field pressure against german infantry with weapon upgrades (when you build su-76 as 1-st unit) or make your overall situation more worse if build it as 2-nd unit. Without T4 you can't fight effectively against OST T3. Against OKW, situation will be more darker (if you build su-76 after T-70). I ask gain: why we so rare saw old pgrens in game? In: COH2 Balance
Thread: su76 need adjustments19 Sep 2019, 06:19 AM Jump back to quoted post19 Sep 2019, 02:12 AMSerrith I guess you never heard of emergency field rations. I guess you never ever BUY emergency field rations in the middle of the field? Emergency field ration - ALWAYS with you, you don't PAY for it. That's why it called emergency. The more correct in our case call it - reserve food. But if you eat "cheap" sugar candies, you have huge risk to pay bill for dentist. SU-76 - cheap "sugar" candy. P4 (and 2-nd P4 if you can't kill 1-st with your SU-76) and huge risk to lose SU-76 - bill for dentist. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: su76 need adjustments18 Sep 2019, 21:47 PM Jump back to quoted post18 Sep 2019, 21:26 PMelchino7 You are really missing the point of the discussion. We don't have arbitrarily 17dmg on rifles and tanks doing 182 dmg per shot. 640HP is the magic number for mediums. Magic number for AT damage is 160dmg. Guess what, it requires 4 shots to kill a tank. Most changes on dmg and HP are done taking this 160, by either full, half or quarter values (320/400/560/720/800/960/1040/1280) Looks like i miss something. But i think i understand your point, just in different way. Jump back to quoted post18 Sep 2019, 21:26 PMelchino7 Another point: you are missing that most weapons have similar damage "calibers" and similar HP pools. That means that some weapons is created against exact targets? 160 dmg ATG is counter against mediums and heavies (640/160=4). While 120 SU-76 just closer to LV killer. SU-76 and puma have 400 hp. Stug 540. t-70 and p2 400 too IRC. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: su76 need adjustments18 Sep 2019, 21:03 PM Jump back to quoted post18 Sep 2019, 19:32 PMelchino7 You can make any equation to accommodate the values you want, it doesn't mean that the variable is valuable at all to make comparisons with. Specially when you have vehicles which can't either kill or die with no overkill dmg. I just think, in fact you can make "adjustments" for DPS. (HP/DMG per Hit)=TimeLife => if digit is round we have TimeLife of Target. Example: Hp=50, DMG=25, Speed of Attack=1 TimeLife=50/(251)=2s When timelife is not round digit. We just add time until timelife not become round value if divided on speed of attack. Example: Hp=60, DMG=25, Speed of Attack=1 TimeLife=60/(251)=2,4s Real TimeLife=3s (+1 round of attack) In fact any digits after comma "means" that attack in progress and in reality it must be ended. If we add to our digits chance to hit, from this point we could only talking about "estimated" timelife. Example: Hp=50, DMG=25, Speed of Attack=1, Chance to Hit=80% TimeLife=50/(251)=2s (we have got "raw" timelife - lowest value of our range, if all attacks were succesfull) Estimated TimeLife= Timelife / Chance to Hit= (2 0,8)=2,5s But we also remember that any digits after comma means that attack in progress. Estimated TimeLife=from 2-3s. We got range of time when target could be killed and from smallest to biggest time it increases on Speed of attack time (if we have 2-5 range, we could kill target on 2,3,4,5-th second if Speed of Attack is equal 1 second). If we add to our new digits chance to pen, it just make range wider. I agree, that raw dps how i count earlier too rude method, if we turn on in game chance to hit and chance to pen. We could just got "estimated" range of timelife. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: su76 need adjustments18 Sep 2019, 20:49 PM Jump back to quoted post18 Sep 2019, 20:40 PMthedarkarmadillo Or instead of changing the damage.... Support your unit? The lesser damage of the su76 goes really well with PTRS'S who don't deal conventional damage. Su76 is PART of your army, not the whole bloody thing. I don't know why that concept is so troublesome to grasp. "Old pgrens are PART of your army, not the whole bloody thing". Question: why we saw pgrens so rare? Because OST players don't know it sentence? Or maybe, because unit impact was so low in it old timeframe and for it's old cost (+t2 building)? I repeat again problem not in AT of su-76 against mediums, problem in role of SU76. It must be AI support with some AT, not subpar AT with some AI. You can't make from su-76 potent AT against mediums for sake of balance. Because it will make spamm of t-70 and su-76. And OST player will be need to deal with cheap, spammable "hardcounter" mediums AT and aggressive AI unit. SU-76 must become AI support tool with some AT. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: su76 need adjustments18 Sep 2019, 20:32 PM Ups, i did mistake in digits: A: (660-160)/(160/8)=500/20=25 B: (660-120)/(120/6)=540/20=27 But it don't make my conclusion wrong. Problem in "overkill" and how damage of unit could be valueted in different manner from HP/DPS. In fact, if you have such system when onle damage per hit and speed of attack exist, you can balance only units hp pools. Example with old stats: Unit A: deals 120dmg/6s = 20 dps Unit B: deals 160dmg/8s = 20 dps You have 2 enemies with 10 health each. How much time you need to kill both? Unit A: 12s Unit B: 16s If you could change hp pools of enemies to don't get overkill, then you can balance 2 units. But again, it's just question about maximum effectivness against different targets. If targets makes constant damage to you it can be even "question of death and life". In: COH2 Balance
Thread: su76 need adjustments18 Sep 2019, 20:04 PM Jump back to quoted post18 Sep 2019, 19:32 PMelchino7 You can make any equation to accommodate the values you want, it doesn't mean that the variable is valuable at all to make comparisons with. Specially when you have vehicles which can't either kill or die with no overkill dmg. Let me make it more clear. Unit A: deals 120dmg/6s = 20 dps Unit B: deals 160dmg/8s = 20 dps Now: how long does it take to kill a 640HP tank ? B: 3 Reloads > 24s A: 5 Reloads > 30s (26s on math) Tank performance is not balanced around DPS but TTK (time to kill) in conjunction with acc + Pen. "Real" A: (640-160)/(160/8)=24 B: (640-120)/(120/6)=520/20=26 "Math" A:640/(160/8)=32 B:640/(120/6)=32 Want some more funny math? HP is equal 660: "Real" A: (660-160)/(160/8)=500/20=25 B: (660-120)/(120/6)=440/20=22 Why? What you show just called "overkill". Unit with slower reload need to start new cycle of reload to kill almost dead unit. While more faster have kill in the end of cycle. Yes, DPS from TTK not balanced. But turn on acc + Pen. We don't play in "starcraft" when only damage per hit and speed of attack exist and only one decreasing damage part is armor from upgrades. But we have such parameters like accuracy and target size (if we consider situation with 100% pen). And in situation when you have slow, more damage weapon with chance to miss and fast, low damage weapon with higher chance to hit, you must consider what will be better. Just imagine two-handed battle-hammer and short sword. Their DPS could be equal, but against swarm of rats much more applicable sword not hammer, while against dragon hammer could be much better. It's all just question about effectivness against targets with different HP pool. If you want have maximum effectivness you should't get "overkill" you must kill at the end of cycle. I don't know any other rules how unit damage could be valueted, only this one (HP/DPS). IF you know, show me and if it work better than mine, i will accept my defeat in our argue. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: State of the Kingtiger18 Sep 2019, 19:30 PM Jump back to quoted post18 Sep 2019, 19:19 PMGeblobt My conclusion: I would nerf the dmg back to 160 or 200 and adjust his anti infantry to the current lvl and buff his penetration to ~250-270. He wont fight 640hp td anyway, so the penetration helps vs heavy tanks. Maybe buff his range to 50 and/or buff his speed. His acceleration can stay the same. At the moment i would rather go for a fast command tiger on narrow maps or a p4 into jagdtiger on maps like rails and metal. The cost and time invested to get the first kt just seems off compared to pershing, command tiger and is2. Maybe a cost reduction could work too. Buff it's hull mg like for t-34/76. It will give constant AI (it almost all time is turn frontal to enemy). In: COH2 Balance
Thread: su76 need adjustments18 Sep 2019, 18:08 PM Jump back to quoted post18 Sep 2019, 17:20 PMinsaneHoshi Nerfing the t70. The reason why no one builds the su76 anymore is because a) t1 and t2 all have AT to deal with light tanks, b) t4 can deal with mediums/heavies, c) you can no longer build three and then call in a ISU or Is2, d) the t70 can deal with all axis light vehicles save the puma, and rape infantry and have godly recon. How it will make SU-76 shine? It's like say: "Let's nerf pak 40 and OST will be build more pgrens with shrecks". If you want nerf t-70, you need or buff SU-76 to some potent constant AI ("HE shells like sherman" or something else) or make stock infantry potent against upgraded axis infantry. Problem in role of SU-76 as AT tool with some AI. In: COH2 Balance