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Thread: Jagdpanzer IV in Battlegroup2 Apr 2019, 18:37 PM Jump back to quoted post2 Apr 2019, 18:35 PMBalanced_Gamer Jagdpanzer should not come any earlier than any other medium tank in game. Would it be a problem if it did? It's a casemate tank destroyer. It's not going to be zooming around the map hunting lights like a Puma or an AEC. You're setting yourself back if you throw down 135 FU on a medium counter if there are no mediums to counter. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Jagdpanzer IV in Battlegroup2 Apr 2019, 18:32 PM Jump back to quoted post2 Apr 2019, 18:25 PMddd You count 2 pumas versus one medium tank destroyer, healing and access to new units. Yup, jp4 after 2 truck still seems broken as fuck. Maybe give jackson after 2 officers too? Versus a single medium tank? Yes, two Pumas compare favourably to one JPIV if used intelligently. They can chase it down, smoke themselves, have decent turret rotation and can't be circlestrafed. If you fixed the Jackson's turret forwards, replaced the M1 anti-tank gun with a Raketenwerfer clone and required both officers upgraded then it'd be a similar proposition. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Jagdpanzer IV in Battlegroup2 Apr 2019, 18:20 PM Jump back to quoted post2 Apr 2019, 18:18 PMddd Because rushing sherman or cromwell or t34 against heavy light vehicles spam of okw is one of the possible "counters". You give jp4 after 2 trucks, you can spam light vehicles all day and if enemy deploys medium tank you go for jp4 because its cheap at only 135 FU and doesnt need shwererHQ. You eliminate any possible weakness of okw and they already have little of them. Another two Pumas is cheaper than backteching for the JPIV. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Jagdpanzer IV in Battlegroup2 Apr 2019, 18:16 PM Jump back to quoted post2 Apr 2019, 17:55 PMmiragefla I think the main thing that should be done with OKW once other issues are sorted out like their oppressive, but exploitable early game are sorted out, is to split the Schwerer Panzer HQ in half in terms of deployment - or another value that would work. What would you say are the advantages of that route over this one? In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Jagdpanzer IV in Battlegroup2 Apr 2019, 18:13 PM Jump back to quoted post2 Apr 2019, 18:03 PMddd So okw can get all vehicles counter before 10 minute mark? Is playing okw still too hard? Is their super cost efficient infantry, strongest light vehicles and best doctrines still not enough? They even get puma in tier2 that can keep medium tanks at bay. Jp4 is not redundant, its beast versus medium armor. And its cheap. Why would you ever build a casemate tank destroyer at 10 min? It'd be like rushing an SU-85: it'll lose to a circlestrafing Puma and you'll get overrun by infantry because your 135 FU investment does nothing to them and because you rushed it you don't have any AI vehicles. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Jagdpanzer IV in Battlegroup2 Apr 2019, 17:38 PM Premise The Jagdpanzer IV is an all-but redundant unit after the OKW rework. It has no AI capability whatsoever, and against everything but tank destroyer spam one of the other tanks in the same tier is a better option. Special Operations is the strongest OKW commander because of the Command Panther. This is because OKW gets a solid AT fallback if they lose or can't afford to build the SPHQ. For other factions, this fallback is the anti-tank gun. Both these birds can be killed with one stone. Proposal Move the Jagdpanzer IV to Battlegroup and lock it behind two trucks. This fills in these flaws in the reworked OKW design without buffing its strengths. If you go Battlegroup, going Mechanized or SPHQ will get you the JPIV. If you go Mechanized, backteching Battlegroup will get you the JPIV. Consequences Mechanized-SPHQ is less screwed if it loses the SPHQ: it can build Battlegroup for the JPIV. It's still a painful 300 MP 40 FU, but not the 300 MP 135 FU that makes people go for the KT instead. Battlegroup-SPHQ, the disfavoured build, can afford to place the SPHQ a little more riskily. If they lose it, they lose Obersoldaten, the Panzer IV and the Panther, but they keep the JPIV. Backteching Battlegroup before the SPHQ becomes a viable option. If you're willing to delay your SPHQ by 40 FU, you can get the Jagdpanzer IV out 95 FU faster than the Panzer IV. It won't do shit to infantry, but better than Raketenwerfers, right? In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: How about bundle IR.STG44 with Camouflage or something？2 Apr 2019, 14:26 PM Not all abilities are equally powerful. Some commanders have a couple of very strong abilities and a few weaker ones. Special Operations is already the favoured commander for OKW. It doesn't need an extra ability to further entrench its dominance. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: [POLL] Double Panzershreck for Sturm + AT Fussie 31 Mar 2019, 14:18 PM Jump back to quoted post31 Mar 2019, 14:15 PMSander93 I was talking about putting Panzerbüchse on Panzerfusiliers. It's not useless if you give it Button. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: [POLL] Double Panzershreck for Sturm + AT Fussie 31 Mar 2019, 14:03 PM Jump back to quoted post31 Mar 2019, 11:18 AMSander93 So let's throw yet another bad tool into the mix! Rejoice! What's bad about double Panzerschrecks? I'd take that over a Raketenwerfer early game any day. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: 222 deserves a buff30 Mar 2019, 23:29 PM Jump back to quoted post30 Mar 2019, 23:24 PMIncendiaryRounds Well, I think there's a problem then........ target size of a car should be smaller than a tank. The T-70 is tiny. It's only got two crew members. In: COH2 Balance