Profile of Dangerous-Cloth

I feel the same about the amount of buildings the North spawn has to deal with in the center (center!!). Considering the infiltration call in infantry for almost every faction, this also becomes troublesome.

I like what has been done with the train cars and that infantry can simply walk over them (those at the central vp for example). Great job!

I agree with ZombiFrancis on the fact that there are too many sight/shot blocking objects and buildings in the center areas. Further more, the Garrisons and shotblockers in the middle provide perfect cover for any kind of heavy emplacement spam, since they protect those with their multiple layers of sight/shot blocking. This is a problem I encountered on this map (myself abusing sim city).

I agree with the left side fuel and the sight blocking train carts.

I would also like to note that I myself and a couple of other players succeeded in base pinning opponents after we pushed back an attack (works with all mgs, but best with Brit extended range bonuses). The problem is the 4 buildings directly covering almost all of the South base entrances (see picture below). The North side doesn't have this problem since there is only one building that directly covers the Eastern base entrance. I don't count it though, since it is coverd by the base mgs.

3 clustered Southern base pin buildings


4th Southern base pin building


The North side doesn't have this problem and only has this one house covering the entrances, which is itself covered by a base mg (see the picture below)

Only northern building covering base entrances (covered itself by base mgs)


If you don't want to remove these Southern buildings or alter them, you could for example create a simple pathway through the bushes and trees on the western side near the base entrance. See the picture below.

Alternate base entrance pathing to avoid base pin.



Other than this, I like it! Looks good!


Bonus pictures (overdone situation to emphasize the point about the Garrisons)

These three cover basically 3/4 of the entrances


This roof positioned mg can cover all angles as well. Don't know if the attempt at shotblockers tried to resolve this?

The dreams. Oh the dreams.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying t4 or ost panther is at all viable in 1v1, but I think that the problem mainly lies in t4, not in the panther. And just because it's in t4 doesn't mean it gets to be some super uber terminator tank; for example, the brummbar is arguably the best unit in t4 (not practical for 1v1 ofc), it's armored and has a good main gun but it's also slow and turretless. Also, in the quoted post, I was pointing out that it's dumb to complain that it can't fill its role because it has to expose its rear armor when flanking or be forced to sit back and be babysat because that's not a situation the panther is unique in. Every tank has rear armor and takes micro.

I agree that most people use a Panther like a retard. The main reason people use it this way is because it can't fulfill it's intended role anyway, so why not just use it anyway you can. Now I don't want the tank to be a super uber terminator tank, but all I want is it to be worth the 175 fuel in the very late game tier 4. In a 1v1 it isn't useful at all no, but in teamgames it is decent. Still, it also doesn't perform great there either, but it can work.

The OKW Panther is what the Ostheer Panther should be too. If that requires 185 fuel, so be it.

You do realize this describes every fucking normal tank in the game right? If you want some crazy tank sniper that you don't have to pay attention to at all just use jaeger armor doc and get an elefant.

You realize the Ostheer Panther is overpriced for its performance at 175 fuel and a couple of hundred of mp in an overpriced and almost unreachable tier 4 in a 1v1? Having to risk losing the game in a 1v1 situation because of the huge investment (time and resources) that Tier 4 represents and then proceed to get the very expensive Panther which doesn't reflect its actual building cost let alone the investment cost (tier 4 for starters), makes the Panther anything but spectacular?

Yes it can drive, stand still and shoot. But with that, we have said everything we could have said about the Ostheer Panther in a 1v1 situation.

I think the lack of an "emergency CoH3" to save Relic's economy can be a good thing.

What I loved about vCoH was how the verisimilitude (suppression, having to flank, armor that went "pling") made for beautiful gameplay. IMO, CoH should be more about simplicity than the messy diversity of OF or CoH2.

The thing is, simplicity really isn't easy. It requires more thinking, time and patience than coding. When you're going bankrupt, you just can't afford that.

So a pause for Relic, while they figure out how to do CoH3 in a simple manner that satisfies the vCoH (Wehr vs US) crowd, could turn out to be a blessing in disguise.

Good point. However, CoH2 made Relic a lot more money than CoH ever did. I don't see them returning to CoH levels of simplicity. The DLC schematics, although gaining negative consensus from their player base, was very successful in their eyes. CoH3, if it ever comes, will have the same DLC nonsense that CoH2 had, but perhaps a little more subtle.