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Thread: Why does the Firefly have to suck so much? 9 Mar 2019, 15:40 PM Jump back to quoted post9 Mar 2019, 15:35 PMblvckdream FF has worst penetration of SU85 and Jackson, especially with vet. It also has the worst mobility, it cant chase retreating tanks unlike Jacksons. It costs way more than and other medium TD and you will have to burn 100s of munis to make it somewhat effective. The only thing the FF has going for it is it´s accuracy. The fact that it has a turret makes very little diffrence considering the rotation speed is lower than the turn speed of other medium casemate TDs. u ignore ant positive thing about the FF (u still have to count he 45 mid range) and most engagement dont happen in 60 range and as i said the FF has actual medium tank armor so a medium tank can't just kill it from the front like a su 85 it's the only tanks that with vet needs 1 less shoot to kill a medium tank, i take that over pen any day as pen is chance based damage is not ( and yes 1 lees shoot for panther and heavy tank too) even if 1 shoot doesn't pen it would still take only 4 like any other tank but the difference in pen is not that big (as most armor have been nerfed) In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Why does the Firefly have to suck so much? 9 Mar 2019, 15:33 PM Jump back to quoted post9 Mar 2019, 15:29 PMblvckdream Maybe dont forget to mention that even at vet 3 it has 210 far penetration while SU 85 and Jackson have 286. Jackson also has HVAP rounds that give it 325 far penetration at vet 3. It doesn´t make any difference against Panthers and P4s but against Tiger and KT the Firefly will bounce more often than the cheaper Jackson and SU85. 210 pen is just 10 less than the other while it gets 45 mid range so ff only has worse pen at 60 range at 50 it should have more already and 40 more damage at vet 3 mean 1 less shot for medium tank, that's huge, and only 4 shoot to kill a panther (which now has much worse armor) In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Why does the Firefly have to suck so much? 9 Mar 2019, 15:30 PM Jump back to quoted post9 Mar 2019, 15:19 PMblvckdream I updated the stats but the Firefly is still the worst in terms of TTK an DPS. So yeah my argument still stands. your argument still stand id u don't count all the other perks the FF has, su 85 has the best dps cause it has no rotating turret, the FF is almost the same as the m36 with better accuracy access to tulips, same armor as a medium tank, 45 mid range instead of 30 so more accuracy and pen ff is not the worst TD it's the same as other In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Why does the Firefly have to suck so much? 9 Mar 2019, 14:36 PM Jump back to quoted post9 Mar 2019, 14:21 PMelchino7 DPS numbers are originally all wrong because it's only counting the reload value without looking at fire aim, ready aim, wind up and wind down. yea pointed it to him the shout chat hope he updates it and realize that the FF is one of the best TD for consistency (45 mid range instead of 30) In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Why does the Firefly have to suck so much? 9 Mar 2019, 12:56 PM Jump back to quoted post9 Mar 2019, 12:28 PMVipper DPS of these vehicles max range of each weapon vs PzIV target 22 armor 180, as calculate without taking into account overkill. M10: 14 JP4: 27 Jackson: 19 Stug: 25 SU-76: 13 SU-85: 25 Firefly: 21 things worth noting: Armor is rather low that is why stug and JP have good DPS M10 gets allot more DPS when closing in, similar to Puma. FF does overkill but get damage with veterancy gaining 1 less shot vs mediums. In addition tulip allow it to kill a medium with 1 reload. Tulip are good to protect vs armor that close in to FF. Accuracy bonus from commander not taken into account. SU-76 get more damage and penetration with veterancy while having low XP value and its DPS increases allot. Also has the ability to barrage which become allot stronger the extra damage. i meant the OP literally pulled the stats out of his ass to make the FF look bad DPS (damage per second) M10: 40 -> 27 (low pen and ok range) JP4: 37,2 -> 32 (low pen) Jackson: 36.5 -> 24 Stug: 35,5 -> 30 (low pen and range) SU-76: 30.7 -> 23 (low pen) SU-85: 29.6 -> 28 Firefly: 25 only the FF is right as it's 200/8 if u argument is pen, u cant count it simply cause u have to count the accuracy too at that point, just do the dps for similar pen, accuracy and range tank (su 85, m36 and FF) and then state the difference in accuracy7pen In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Why does the Firefly have to suck so much? 9 Mar 2019, 12:16 PM Jump back to quoted post9 Mar 2019, 12:15 PMVipper DPS of ballistic weapons without any info on target size/armor and HP is rather misleading. yes but the math is still wrong time to kill are wrong too as ff needs only 5 shots to kill panther while other tank needs 6 did the op just made up numbers to make the FF look bad ? In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Why does the Firefly have to suck so much? 9 Mar 2019, 12:14 PM Jump back to quoted post7 Mar 2019, 12:41 PMblvckdream Whats the idea behind it? Stats of medium TDs in COH2 DPS (damage per second) M10: 40 JP4: 37,2 Jackson: 36.5 Stug: 35,5 SU-76: 30.7 SU-85: 29.6 Firefly: 25 (laughable DPS considering the price) can i ask u how u did the math ? cause jackson has 6.5 reload ttime and 160 damage that's 24.6 dps fire fly has 25 dps as u said tho In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Why does the Firefly have to suck so much? 8 Mar 2019, 22:29 PM Jump back to quoted post8 Mar 2019, 21:56 PMKatitof They better be, you're paying much more then for JagdTiger. Also, since you missed like a year of changes and balance patches, TDs costs, performance and most importantly pop cap was rebalanced in a way that its incredibly difficult to get more then 1, unless TDs are going to be your whole and only armor. 2 ff simply close the armor problem u have, 1 work as a TD just fine, and yes 2 ff are better than 1 elephant when dealing with armor u lose 10 range and frontal armor for more damage tulips and more hp 1 elephant needs 3 shoots to kill a medium 1 tank, 2 firefly need 2 (300 damage vs 400) ff still deals 200 damage x shoot it (240 at vet 3) adding piat and at nades make them very good In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Rak 43 proposal8 Mar 2019, 21:44 PM pak 38 In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Why does the Firefly have to suck so much? 8 Mar 2019, 21:24 PM FF is still one of the best TD cause it's consistent (if is not moving) it has great accuracy, access to tulips, good pen, rotating turret, 200dmg, 60 range and great vet(one of the few TDs that still has damage buff with vet) build 2 of them and they are a fucking menace In: COH2 Balance