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I'm quite positive USF was redesigned because it had very unflexible tech structure that didn't offered much of a freedom, forced the exact same opening every single time, which in return led to USF being forced into more infantry units then they actually needed, not because volks and penals.



You think otherwise, then provide relevant quotes from relic.

Then OKW need also a redesign for the exact same reasons.

My rounding is off, but SVTs are ALMOST as good as a Bar at 35 range.

BARs are better at everything between 0 - 34.

A couple of unlucky fights against assgrens don't mean anything, look at the stats.


Never did that.
Compared a conscript squad picking up a BAR to a conscript squad picking up a SVT package. The comparison is WAY WORSE if you do it on riflemen.


SVT upgrade: +4.5dps near, +2dps max
PPSH: +18dps near, -2dps max

Yeah no that near damage is brutal. Not even similar. Four times the CQC damage is huge.


(Still on a phone, still rounding off. The far distances in particular will be somewhat misrepresented)
Cons vanilla: 21dps 0, 6dps max
SVT cons: 25.5dps 0, 8dps max
PPSH cons: 40dps 0, 4dps max.
Cons with a BAR: 30.5dps 0, 9dps max

The SVT is still hugely unimpressive when you stack it out like that.



I believe the SVT package is marginal and should be a non-doc upgrade locked behind soviet T4. I also believe that the grenades should be one upgrade – or a whole lot cheaper.


But as a commander ability? Its just underwhelming. It needs something more to be worth dropping. More MU cost and SOMETHING more. Body armour? Ability cooldowns? Party hats for the infantry to look cool?

Only conscripts can not be given a BAR but they can be given a SVT and BARs are more expensive than SVT.

If you actually want to compare you have to use more range than simply 0-35.

A riflemen picking a bar gains 2.24 far 6.42 close, so you are wrong it compares worse. A conscripts squad getting an SVT get a better far bonus than riflemen squad getting an SVT, although being cheaper both to built and to upgrade.

Again Conscripts with a BAR are simply irrelevant.

Glad we agree that SVT should be changed with something else.

I'm dismissive of some unsubstabtiated off hand comments with no supporting information or justification. Why? Please explain your working to be allocated any marks.

I've laid out the rough numbers. The entire SVT packake is worse than a single BAR by a large margin.

Therefore I believe their impact to entirely minimal.

Instead of 'oh but one bloke said so', how about you explain to me why you believe this isn't an accurate assessment?

In what circumstances and when used on what squad is the SVT package 'broken'?

According to your own numbers:

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So with a lot of rounding off, one Bar is an upgrade of 3dps at long and 9.5dps point blank
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So three SVTs is an upgrade of about 3dps at long, and 4.5dps point blank.
Seems to check out?

The SVT is equal to BAR long range although it cost less has no tech cost, does not drop and can be used by any squad. (thanks you for proving Katitof's misleading claims "of less than half" to be false)

DPS at 0 range is not even that important because conscript can handle themselves close range. If you check the steam you will see a SVT conscripts beating a 5 men As. grenadier that has sprinted even thou the conscripts is fighting another squad.

In the end of the you comparison is based in a flaw comparison of 280 unit with a 240 unit, belonging to another faction.
Now do the same comparison between 3 PPsh and Bar and you will come to same conclusion.
"The entire PPSh packake is worse than a single BAR by a large margin." because it has much less far DPS in this case.
And we all know PPsh is actually a great upgrade.

If you want to check something you have to check the DPS of conscript squad with SVT and without the SVT and see % of how much better it performs.

In the end of they if in your opinion the SVT upgrade is bad you should agreed that it should be replaced with something more useful.

m10 not have much use if its not spammed. people would rather get crom with 6pdr. if its spammed without crew repair not very nice since ability repair require so much cost. well t3485 are seen often and i rarely see m10. < 10% game i would say

It allot cheaper than Crom.

That means that one could a fast Centaur and use the M10 to defend it from enemy Tanks. M10 is in the same price range as Su-76 and Stug and compared to them it has turret and superior mobility. It is actually quite good.

how often u see m10? rarely.. how often u see m36? a lot.. and m10 spam without jump out self repair? no

That simply because M36 is op and not because M10 is UP.