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Thread: Penal Battalion a completely different approach27 Dec 2015, 22:35 PM Jump back to quoted post27 Dec 2015, 21:59 PMKyleAkira . USF have rifles with bars . Rifles as Penal use semi automatic weapons that are good close to mid. Bar is also not great at long range. Making Penal long range would mean they would have to come with bolts action rifles, and replace the flamer with lmg upgrade. Jump back to quoted post27 Dec 2015, 22:05 PMF1sh Why should we change Conscripts? As I explained before conscript have so much utility that Penal will always compare pale to them. One could give more utility to Penals but then they would overlap or else one would have go overboard with their DPS to make more attractive. The current performance of Penal is not that bad and they would be used allot more if one did not have to built T1 to get them even with no other change...What currently makes them unattractive is the T1 and the luck of an AT snare... In my approach they have different roles and allows abilities like merge to become more attractive since the entities will be cheaper. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Penal Battalion a completely different approach27 Dec 2015, 22:26 PM Jump back to quoted post27 Dec 2015, 12:06 PM\|GB\| The Lnt.599 ... and one thing, what does happen to the at-nade, i dont really get what you want to do with it. Glad to see you find the idea interesting the idea. There many thing that can be done about AT grenades. At grenades should probably remain on conscripts but without ourah they will have a more defensive role against crushing and protect other units from circle strafe. Penal could get them and use with ourah and in that case ourah should probably make them more vulnerable. A totally different approach would be to allow penal to climb on enemy tanks and built explosives on the tank taking more damage during the building process. They could then get jump of and detonated them causing some sort critical damage. The concept is that Penal should be able to perform high risk/reward tasks. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Panzerfussiliers27 Dec 2015, 20:02 PM If the Lmg34 is under-priced the Obers without it are overpriced... In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Panzerfussiliers27 Dec 2015, 19:52 PM Jump back to quoted post27 Dec 2015, 19:34 PMBeefSurge Airbornes six man durability is less than Panzerfusilers six men because all of Axis factions have AOE designed for large squads. (I'm not saying Allied AOE is bad.) What does AOE weapon have to do with small arm fire? Jump back to quoted post27 Dec 2015, 19:34 PMBeefSurge More expensive infantry units generally get discounted upgrades, culminating in Obers 60 muni MG34. Relic seems to disagree with since the give 6 men conscripts with 240 price tag 3 PPsh for 40 munition at 13.3 mu a piece. Jump back to quoted post27 Dec 2015, 19:34 PMBeefSurge Assuming no cost increase, Fusiliers G43 upgrade therefore should be a hair cheaper than double bars, like I've been saying. No it should not STOP comparing BARS a stock upgrade with doctrinal upgrade. If you want a unit close to Fusilier to compare with, compare them with the doctrinal Ppsh conscripts and not the mainline infantry like riflemen having a stock upgrade. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Panzerfussiliers27 Dec 2015, 19:33 PM Jump back to quoted post27 Dec 2015, 19:17 PMBeefSurge Tech cost influences price of weapon upgrades? That is not what I wrote. What I wrote is that you should compare stock weapons like bars and LMG34 with doctrinal weapon upgrades like the G43. Jump back to quoted post27 Dec 2015, 19:17 PMBeefSurge In any case, Panzerfusiliers upgrade costs more per G43 because the squad is more durable,... Relic seem to disagree with you. Airborne are more durable than Riflemen or R.E. but their LMG is 14% cheaper. Jump back to quoted post27 Dec 2015, 19:17 PMBeefSurge a six man squad Axis able to fire on move with good DPS... Again firing on the move is something airborne can do with their LMG while other units can not and the even get a great ability... Jump back to quoted post27 Dec 2015, 19:17 PMBeefSurge 35 muni per G43 plus 10 muni for extra sight is a fair price for the upgrade No it is not a total of 115 munition for the upgrade is over the top when airborne can get 4 Thompson for 90 or conscripts can get 3 PPsh for 40... In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Panzerfussiliers27 Dec 2015, 19:22 PM Jump back to quoted post27 Dec 2015, 19:03 PMAustralian Magic It's not like STGs and LMG34 are underpriced... You want to generally discus under-priced weapons? Try the Thompson at 22.5 a piece, the PPsh at 13.3 a piece or the PTRS at 25 a piece or the Boys for 10 manpower a piece... In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Panzerfussiliers27 Dec 2015, 18:56 PM Bars, LMG42 are both stock weapons and come with tech cost. G43 are doctrinal and do not come with tech so you are comparing different things... OKW G43 of fusilier come with sight but Ostheer G43 comes with battlefield intelligence via interrogation. OKW G43 are currently more 33% expensive than Ostheer one although they have lower DPS and the same price as the far superior OKW ST44 yet you propose to make them even more expensive making them one of least cost effective weapon upgrade in the game... In: COH2 Balance
Thread: M5 half-truck no gunner27 Dec 2015, 14:24 PM If crew the of USF M5 disembarks and the vehicle is crewed by another faction no entity mounts the 0.5. At least until fighting begins...then the unit seem to get gunner and fire at least with some factions... In: COH2 Bugs
Thread: Penal Battalion a completely different approach27 Dec 2015, 12:02 PM Jump back to quoted post27 Dec 2015, 11:55 AMMaschinengewehr Special forces get sent on highly dangerous missions too. Are they cannon fodder? "Tramplers" weren't very common. When the abundance of PoWs proved more fruitful for the task, it was scrapped. Special forces are highly trained, have considerable support and are set to difficult mission not suicidal. Definition of cannon fodder via wiki: The term is generally used in situations where combatants are forced to deliberately fight against hopeless odds (with the foreknowledge that they will suffer extremely high casualties) in an effort to achieve a strategic goal; an example is the trench warfare of World War I. If you don't like the term cannon fodder then don't use it. The essence remain the same these troops sustained extremely high loses. Regardless of how common "Tramplers" where it demonstrates how this men where treated... Anyway probably enough history we should try to get back to the changes suggested... In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Miragefla's December Balance Mod Additions27 Dec 2015, 11:56 AM Another change you might consider: Spawning units. Spawning units like Partisans, Jagger, Fall, Storm... Need buildings to be used and come at premium compared to their real cost. I would suggest that these units can also be built from HQ at their real price. That would make them less map depended and more cost efficient. In: Modding and Tools