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Thread: Spring ninjas - SBP Error & Bug Reporting17 May 2018, 22:58 PM Great Job as always Cruzz. Well done. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Firefly need to be cheaper17 May 2018, 16:11 PM Jump back to quoted post17 May 2018, 12:55 PMKatitof Would you be so kind to compare FF and JP4 dps/TTK against P4 and sherman/t34 then? Should we also include JP4 first strike vet bonus too? That If you include FF vet, I can't see how this should not be included too. DPS is misleading, I already give you time to the time kill at vet 3: FF around 12 secs while a JP will need around 12 to 14 First strike need Vet 5 tulips are vet 0 and I did not included tulips. With Tulips a FF can kill a medium tank in around 8 secs from vet 0. Even so first strike bonus gives 200 damage that does not change the number of shots and more penetration/accuracy which again has little impact vs mediums. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Firefly need to be cheaper17 May 2018, 11:42 AM Jump back to quoted post17 May 2018, 10:58 AMKatitof And that's true. Mainly because FF is meant to go up against heavily armored vehicles, while JP4 is not, you have panther for that. Now then, wouldn't similar vet0 performance state that one of them is op or up here? If you want to argue that FF is designed to fight heavy tanks then it simply is OP vs mediums especially at vet 3 since it has nearly 100% chance to hit and penetrate medium at range 60 and by vet 3 it will kill a medium in around 12 secs while a JP will need around 12 to 14. And once more, as I pointed out in the parts you did not quote, comparing the DPS of the main gun and are totally ignoring the Tulip potential is misleading. Currently in live most TDs are not designed to counter a specific type of armor (light medium heavy) and I have pointed out many time (for the last years) that the game would be in better spot if TDs where designed to be dealing with specific level of armor. Glad to see that you actually agree. (edit to correct time to kill medium for JP) In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Firefly need to be cheaper17 May 2018, 10:32 AM Jump back to quoted post16 May 2018, 20:03 PMswordfisch vipper if you're going to use stats from almost two years ago I can do the same with any unit and claim they are balanced or OP (also to build off what firesparks said you used the same old stats on commander upgrade, it's been nerfed a while now). when you get proven wrong 5mins later by the actual statistics it makes your argument rather weak to say the least. I see you are stills scrambling to defend your point yet ignoring the great survivability the JP gets in comparison to the FF. FF still remains a glass canon until the end, im fine with this. But it needs to be brought down to JP price, either that or reduce cost of tulips. If you want the updated DPS for FF and JP vs IS-2 and KT, in the live patch here they are: sherman_firefly_76mm_mp 16.8/16.5/16.2/15.9/15.7/14.9/13.6 jagdpanzer_iv_pak_42_75mm_mp 17.1/16.6/16.2/15.8/15.4/14.9/14.5 vet 3 sherman_firefly_76mm_mp 26.62/26.17/25.71/25.26/24.80/23.55/21.50 jagdpanzer_iv_pak_42_75mm_mp 18.39/17.92/17.44/16.97/16.50/16.03 And that is without counting Tulips. As I said FF is equal if not better than JP against heavily armored vehicles. Jump back to quoted post17 May 2018, 05:52 AMFiresparks Go look at the UTT video I posted. Some of the best players in the game had trouble landing both tulip hit on a King Tiger. Even in Shadow's video, the axis player made the mistake of broadsiding his panther to the tulip. Landing both hits is a lot more difficult then you suggest. It's not a tracking shot, there's a delay, and the rocket rails are off center on the side of the sherman's turret. in addition, the Tulip no longer completely stun, and the movement debuff only last for 2.5 seconds. The panther in shadow's video managed to back way from the Firefly despite having take both side, but made the mistake of stopping too close to the FF for repair. The scenario you're describing is extremely unlikely. It doesn't happen often enough to be reliable or help the british, but its mere possibility become the perfect excuse to not make the FF cheaper. The Tulip is the perfect boogeyman to be used. I never suggested that landing 2 Tulip is easy, I was responding to a silly claim that the damage of FF's main gun does not matter vs medium. It simply does. I did not describe any scenario and on the other hand you insisting to compare the DPS only of the main gun completely ignoring Tulips is misleading. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Firefly need to be cheaper16 May 2018, 18:11 PM Jump back to quoted post16 May 2018, 18:06 PMKatitof Yes, yes, FF will always have tulips ready off cooldown and brit player will always have 100 muni to dump, it'll also always will be shot at completely immobile target. We get the ullumulu vibe. Stop spreading misinformation pls, Tulilps cost 80 mu not 100. In addition your claim that FF damage: "It does not make any difference vs medium armor, only vs panther and above." Is simply inaccurate. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Firefly need to be cheaper16 May 2018, 18:01 PM FF 2x200 + 2x120 = 640 A firefly can kill a medium with 1 reload, landing 2 Tulips or with 2 Piat hits. A vet 3 FF does 240 damage 3x240 = 720 and thus kills a medium in 3 shots. It makes quite a difference vs Meduims. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Firefly need to be cheaper16 May 2018, 07:34 AM Jump back to quoted post16 May 2018, 05:15 AMFiresparks The points I made are: FF is more accurate than JP FF gets deadlier with Vet than the JP FF is equally good or better than JP vs heavily armored targets FF is harder to Flank than Tiger All of them stand. Feel free update the examples I brought but you will see little difference. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Firefly need to be cheaper15 May 2018, 10:24 AM Jump back to quoted post15 May 2018, 05:12 AMFiresparks the firefly might have better penetration, but its dps is so slow that it barely make the difference against the much higher dps jp4. ... It all depend on the target armor as you can see here: https://www.coh2.org/topic/56469/tank-destroyer-time-to-kill-stats JP vs IS-2 time to kill JP4 65.25 - 85.25 JP4 vet 3 50.74 - 66.27 FF vs KT Firefly 82.75 - 107.50 FF vet 3 37.75 - 56.50 Firefly (Tulip) 66.25 - 91.00 FF vet 3 31.50 - 44.00 Also note how much better FF become with veterancy. Jump back to quoted post15 May 2018, 05:12 AMFiresparks The firefly is as vulnerable to flanking as the tiger, given their turret speed and chassis speed are almost identical similar. It's not like the jackson whose fast turret and body make it "impossible" to flank. No it is not because: It has sight of 45 360 Can stun any tank to close in with Tullip Can have war speed available from vet 0 get 15% speed at vet 1 get turret rotation at vet 2 In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Panther can't destroy uncrewed support weapons14 May 2018, 10:26 AM What support weapon where you shooting at? Some have small target size. In: COH2 Bugs
Thread: Firefly need to be cheaper14 May 2018, 07:15 AM Jump back to quoted post14 May 2018, 00:31 AMFiresparks none of which is properly represented in your outdated chart. Even with the high accuracy the FF's dps is still substantially lower than the jp4. the tank commander is also another upgrade that add to the Firefly's already expensive cost. This wouldn't be an issue if the Firefly isn't the most expensive tech TD in the game. The point I was making with the link is that DPS for tank fights, needs to factor in armor and target size. My point is and remains that FF is more accurate than JP, it also has allot more penetration. (In addition it has 45 360 vie, can have access to trucking and war speed) That is simply because you do not take into account Tulips. A FF can snare and kill medium in around 8 sec if both Tulips land and that is one the highest DPS output of any TD. In: COH2 Balance