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I understand that it will dissuade OKW players from going kubel spam into fussilier spam but you have to understand that for the players who actually just get 1 kubel and 3 volks or 4 volks open they have zero defense against a flame car rush. That more or less completely breaks the ability to go for mechanized becauase you want your fausts as fast as possible. Or you go for an earlier raketen and because you have 1 less fighting squad you'll generally lose map control.

The only way we can touch OKW in the patch is through their fausts. The only way we can touch Soviets in the patch is through the Maxims.

The results we have so far say that we need to tweak Soviet power with relation to OKW. Should we restore Maxim spam, or should we restore the viability of M3A1?

The scope makes no sense this time, and we feel that reintroducing faust timing is the least-frustrating way forward for both factions.

At the very least, new Soviets cannot be worse than pre-WBP Soviets due to a variety of reasons:
- Soviet vehicle nerfs
- OKW vehicle buffs
- Penal nerfs
- Guards nerfs

Thus, that early forced raketenwerfer will hurt that much less now.

Ok? but how is this different from Ostheer? M3 clown car rush doesn't work against Ostheer because they have the super early fausts. You don't see Ostheer getting their fausts nerfed behind their T2 building or battlephase 1. If it's because the raketen is on T0 and the pak40 is on t2 that's a rakaten issue or a pak40 issue. Is it because volks are generally more powerful than grens because of the extra man? Volks spam is one of the two only strategies you can go for as OKW which is why their fausts are so abundant. Ostheer have more options which is why this isn't an issue probably. they can get MGs, mortars, some grens, snipers, Ostruppen with doctrines. Saying that OKW fausts are to numerous early game is a poor way of saying their design sucks but we can't change it because of scope. If you want to do the munitions change to lower the usage of the faust fine but it probably won't have a large enough impact and that I agree with you on. But I still do not see a reason to allow flamecar rushes against OKW inorder to force out a raketen so OKW has 1 less fighting squad while the clown car can more or less avoid it.

The hope is that the sheer fear of the enemy rushing a light vehicle will dissuade OKW from overinvesting into the kubel-heavy openings we are starting to see as a result of WBP. That will limit OKW's early-game territory gains and, you know, maybe Soviets can have a chance.

Grenadiers cannot go toe-to-toe with the vast majority of the enemy squads. Thus, you have to make a compromise with how many support weapons you field, and how many Grenadiers (and where you place them) to prevent yourself being overrun by light cars.

With current Volks, there's really no compromise. They're amazing for their cost, so why not spam them right off the bat? This is especially after early OKW game with:
- Sturmpioneer starting squad
- Kubelwagen armour vs small arms fire
- Sturmpioneer repair speed efficiency (which allows Kubelwagens to press on and bleed squads)

So, in your own words, you're reverting a good change to compensate for the overpowered OKW imbalance that you can't change.

I can understand the logic but surely it would make more sense to change the overpowered stuff? And if not, to leave the good change until you can fix the overpowered stuff. Yes OKW would be overpowered in the short term, but in the long term it makes it easier to pinpoint exactly what needs to be fixed in the future.

Faust timing was not a good change. It was a premature change.

Faust timing should have been with light vehicle changes, which had already been thoroughly tested before they became reverted.

Cost reduction worked OK for WBP. However with Brit nerfs and Soviets going out of the window, it's no longer justifiable to give everything to the OKW.

Note that, unless we did something wrong, v1.3 is meant to be the final version of the mod. If you guys can get some games going let us know how the Maxim feels, etc.

We require timely feedback.

So we're reverting OKW fausts back to pre March 28th patch unlock wise? After the truck has been set up? This is one of the problems why OKW was so weak to light vehicle rushes like M3 flamer clown car. I see no reason for this unless I'm misinterpreting the statement. It could be beginning to setup, but I'd need clarification.

The thing is that early OKW faust was meant to come at the same time as the other light-vehicle changes that we wanted to introduce in WBP. With the early faust, OKW could feel confident spitting out Volksgrenadiers (without having to worry about pesky rakketens) rendering light vehicles (minus M20) completely useless vs OKW. This left the way wide-open for Kubelwagons.

I know that reverting the faust seems completely lame, since it makes MechHQ starts even less appealing than before. However that's the only thing we were allowed to touch from OKW (which, somehow, completely dodged infantry scaling changes in WBP, and then managed to get through GCS with the overwhelming majority of its cheese untouched). The choice was between making MechHQ less appealing, or keep light-vehicles completely unviable.

This change is meant to be interpreted side-by-side with the overall changes to Brits and, especially, Soviets.

Suppression from 0.00005 to 0.00006
Suppression versus suppressed targets from 0.5 to 0.65
Suppression versus light cover from 0.5 to 0.75
Suppression versus heavy cover from 0.1 to 0.2
Nearby suppression modifier from 0.8 to 1.25

What is going on here? Surely you don't have to change the values vs cover & suppressed squads that all other machine guns use to get the maxim working correctly?

Given OKW design, we had to give Maxim long burst to allow OKW infantry to jump back and avoid being locked down by the Maxim.

However, due to the fact that it takes so long to deliver the burst, we found out that the Maxim was hot trash vs blobs (put 5 Volks on top of one another, and right click behind the Maxim; only one will end up being suppressed). This is because you can't afford to change targets easily with the Maxim to suppress (else you cancel out your burst). That explains the suppression vs suppressed modifier, and the AoE suppression modifiers.

The reason why we messed with cover modifiers is because the Maxim deals low base-line suppression (again, to avoid 1-v-1 maxim spam). However giving the Maxim the normal cover modifiers with lower suppression means it wouldn't function in the late-game. Think of it what happens to Vickers MG in the late-game (with cover craters everywhere), and multiply it by the fact that Soviets don't have Tommies; they have Conscripts instead.

Going the third route, which means simply increasing Maxim veterancy to offset terraforming means that if, at any point, your Maxim gets wiped, you no longer have access to reliable suppression when you most need it (i.e., when STG Volks are raping the conscripts). Allowing the Maxim to work OK in the late-game off the bat will ensure that T2 has some merit as a tech tier in the late-game.

PS: If we ever want to make Vickers worthwhile for the late-game we would have to apply similar anti-cover modifiers (if its range goes down, that is).