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The advantage of making panther an anti mediums are
1) It opens a WORLD of strategies based on mobility and flanking
2) jackson and FF and Su will be able to target panther with 15-20 range of distance from panther maximum range
3) because of point 2 panther gunner doesn't need to be blind
4) stug/jadgpanzer 4 loses rof for penetration and damage, no more stug spam as most effective units, those casamate TD will get 60 range to counter allies TD and heavies, like FF, Jackson and su.

It might eventually work. However I don't think that the end result will be interesting.

If you're making the Panther into some kind of a medium tank hardcounter allies will just go "fuck it" and never invest in medium tanks. That means there's never going to be absolutely anybody interested in doing flanks vs axis heavy armour, which has been a mainstay of the CoH franchise.

Instead, what you're going to get is TD spam vs Panthers, which will be the inverse of Heavy TDs vs allied mediums that you see in teamgames; only that you're going to see the same tired shit in every game and every mode, and in every faction match-up. It won't even matter whether you're playing Brits or USF or Soviets; you've have to get that TD to counter the OKW/OST Panther.

OKW Panther is better suited for hunting mediums; but then again JP4 is also pretty good vs mediums. OST already has Stug for that job, and the new Panther will make it a bit better vs heavies too.

If you doubt this, I'd recommend that you queue up for 4v4 Redball Express immediately. That should give you a good insight as to how boring the game can get if it devolves into a specialist-vs-specialist type of warfare.

Okw panther: I was aware of it (accuracy, mg...), I wasn't aware of price decrease.
It will still miss terribly,

I don't know what mode you play and what level you are in that mode. However I have a feeling you are not "microing" your OKW Panthers properly.

The proper way to micro the Panther is to activate Combat Blitz and make sure you keep moving. It will never miss that way.

I'm not being sarcastic here. I'm actually serious. OKW Panther is 30% more accurate when moving than when it's not moving. That's on top of SU-85+ baseline level accuracy.

Similar such magick feats also occur with all OKW vehicles that have Combat Blitz, except for the Ostwind.

The accuracy nerfs on the Panther mainly aim to address the ridiculouslness of that issue.

OST Panther and Comet are a low-micro units. OKW Panther is a no-micro unit.

Post-patch, OST Panther main focus will be firing more frequently, whereas OKW Panther will hit more accurately and have better MGs while being more expensive.

FRP changes are poorly implemented with all these cooldowns and nerfs. One of the things i like about FRP is on big maps without it, games just become long and dull thought it is unfair only some factions have FRP so cant FRP be an option for all factions? Also out of all the factions it seems OKW FRP has been specifically targeted

There's no other way to implement this without cooldowns. Otherwise serious resource-cheating abuse can occur.

OKW did lose their early FRP, but they did gain smoke on their LeIGs. That should be more than even.

With the threat of snares that lingers in 2v2s

That's where you're wrong.

The Panther has always performed as a generalist tank vs Brits, and will perform even better in that role now that Tulip stun is gone, and Brits will no longer have pre-dug rabbit holes everywhere.

Secondly, Riflemen lost their smoke, so Riflemen is no longer the 1-unit army the Panther has to content with. USF will have to divest in other units, and there will be fewer riflemen with snares running amokk.

Thirdly, Penals lost their snare and Conscripts become squishier with the patch; their main boon is that they hit a lot more reliably. Both units will simply bleed more when a Panther is threatening them.

The panther HAS NO ROLE EVER, it's just an overarmored brick...

If I get this right is that you're complaining that the Panther has low DPS, yet has too much HP.

Now you get a patch that reduces some of the durability (with Vet), but not the important bits (the health bonus at Vet2 is still there), and increases the DPS.

Yet, without taking the time to even trial the changes you start complaining? If you know precisely which values we should fix, why not spit them out so that we can see them.

Otherwise, I think it's better we go with the testing-and-feedback approach. Don't you think so too?

I just hope that people won't pick commanders that are completely unsalvageable, and pick commanders that have the potential to be upgraded to top-tier status. That's because meta will always revert to cheese, and ideally every faction should have access to 6-8 commanders that have roughly equal chance of being picked.

I'd also like to see that doctrines that are defined by their one sole ability get picked and be fleshed out like real commanders, with a set of strong abilities, rather than one single ability (e..g, turn the "Mother Russia" doctrine into a "Counterattack" doctrine, or the "Falls doctrine" into a "Luftwaffe support" doctrine).

I also hope that at least one Shock troop and one Guards troop commander get picked, as this will resurect a bigger number of doctrines than the 2 afforded by relic.

Most of the suck in OST doctrines come from a few select crappy abilities that are spread among a large number of doctrines. Fixing 8 individual useless OST commander abilities, rather than 2 distinct doctrines would achieve a lot more. However, if I were to pick 2 commanders, I'd pick 2 of them that can be upgraded to become equals to the "Lightning War" doctrine.


For Soviets, I'd pick:
- Guard Rifle Combined Arms tactics
- Counterattack

That's because given commander overlap, this would affect nearly every single Soviet commander, and would bring all guards doctrines and most shock doctrines to top-tier status. Also because new Conscripts & Mother Russia will be too OP.

For OST, it's tricky. I'd definitely pick Festung Support because the doctrine has enough unique abilities to have good potential as a meta non-Tiger doctrine. Then I'd pick Joint Operations support due to OST emplacements and the high overlap with other abilities.

Those two commanders will also bring Spearhead and Assault Support on par with Lightning War. That way we won't have to suffer another X months of Lightning-War auto-picks.

Otherwise, I'd really like something to be done with the 250 call-ins and Stormtroopers, but if it's only 2 commanders, I wouldn't pick any of them.

For USF, I'd obviously pick Mechanized and Recon due to their potential.

OKW, I'd definitely pick Firestorm and buff the non-flamer abilities; again also due to overlap.

For the 2nd doctrine, I'd definitely not pick Overwatch, due to it being completely unsalvageable. I'd pick Fallschirmjager doctrine though, to fix the non-fallschirmjager abilities and allow that doctrine to scale past infiltration cheese.

UKF top pick should be artillery doctrine. Then, I'd pick Commandos doctrine to revamp the first 3 abilities of the doctrine and bring them up to par with the top contender doctrines, and also the fact that there is a big overlap with Commandos that can help other doctrines.

But isn't it going to make flamthrower too good vs garrisoned units? Same question for any type of bundle grenade that can wipe wooden houses in one stroke.

Hopefully Relic will revert anti-building grenade damage to original levels, so that you can't use grenades to level them. Flamethrowers we'll see.

You can still survive a building collapse btw. The first few guys will still come out instantly, so your entire squad won't get wiped. It's mostly larger squads that will have part of their squad die with the building.