Really? Huh.
Yea, IRHT provides guaranteed value, especially vs support weapon spam which OKW isn't that good at.
Goliaths are a bit costly and might pay off. |
I would rather have an IR HT than a Goliath.
If you want to make battle group more relevent, one could rework the trucks by unlocking mutually exclusive weapon upgrades for volks, say (German) Ptrs, stgs and lmgs from each truck.
Or you could give some sort of activated and/or upgrades defensive aura to it.
You could also make the leig suck less
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I'm of the opinion it performs the same as a jagdpanzer, just the JP comes stock with good DPS and gets defensive vet (17 target size+vet make it a pain to kill even chasing with meds). FF gets offensive vet and lacks DPS but a tiny bit more mobility.
Having defensive vet is only OK, not good. If a tank destroyer is in range, you have kinda messed up. Plus in a vacuum, the JP4s vet 2 bonus doesn't actually do anything against, say a matchup vs A FF anyways.
And I wouldn't call having a turret having a "tiny amount more of mobility" |
Damn, according to you OKW puma, AEC etc must be impossible to kill with mediums then. Oh wait it's not because they both are paper thin light vehicles
Pumas and AEC are "impossible" to kill with mediums, they only way you can loose them is to AT guns or a misplay.
Except puma and AEC dont kill from 60/80 range and have crappy moving accuracy. |
If you're going Churchill - Firefly, you'd go Anvil » Churchill » Firefly.
Yes that is true, but the original post was comparing croc and firefly to KT an insisting they had a similar tech cost |
I specifically said all the side tech makes them comprable, but they do have an advantage if they want to rush and not upgrade anything else along the way
30 T1, 115 T2, 15 T1.5, 50 T2.5, Grenades 10, Weapons 15, Bolster 35. 270 - 20 initial = 250.
No they have the advantage period. You are being disengenous when you are trying to sneak the t2.5 cost into this conversation. Who gets hammer/anvil before getting a firefly? |
30 T1, 120 T2. Costs for unlocking their T1 optional unit, cost for their T2 packages. Bolster, weapon racks and grenades. In total their full tech tree costs over 200, much like everyone else. Not the most expensive, but comprable.
"much like everyone else"
Do you even know what the costs are for everyone else?
OKW for example (including all side tech as you did in your example) comes to 265 fuel. OKW starts with 5 so this is really 260
UKF (to get a FF and a Croc) comes to 205. UKF starts with 20, so this is 185
Tell me, how at all are these two values comparable? |
Croc is 230, FF is 155, combined total 385.
KT is 260. IRHT is 5. That's 265 between them. The most expensive of the alternative third vehicles I listed is the stuka at 100, bringing the bet cost to at most 365 - 20 under the cost of a Croc and Firefly.
The tulips are absolutely not a standard vehicle calculation and please stop acting like A) thet they always hit and B) that there isn't a minimum of 150 mu invested into a potentially wasted ability in order to get there.
Tips aren't free. Tulips don't track or autofire. They're a huge munution sink that sort of comoensates for the FF being hideously cost inefficient. I would much rather spend the MU on an IR pathfinder barrage for more damage and crits than have to buy a 155 fuel lackluster TD for the generous ability to then also spend hundreds of MU when a JgPz or Jackson don't need to spend a dime.
KT isn't 260 fuel, your calculations are still wrong.
And last time I checked three OKW tiers cost more than 2 UKF tiers. |
Comet ? Easy8 ? They suck.
It's not like Churchills or pershings are meta or anything |
OKW has a TD for every role and piece point.
Where as the firefly is a TD for every role. Requiring one TD vs mediums and one VS heavies is not an advantage unless the specialist exceed, but the JP4 and the Panther just do OK in their roles.
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