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Thread: June 21st Balance update17 Jun 2016, 13:08 PM Jump back to quoted post17 Jun 2016, 11:36 AMStark ah shame it's not Hummel if they are not gonna make any money of it they wont give us new units. i vas wanted a new unique arty for okw not a copy from ostherr like thay did with th ostwind, panther, p4, and the pak 43 In: COH2 Balance
Thread: June 21st Balance update17 Jun 2016, 13:02 PM Jump back to quoted post16 Jun 2016, 18:51 PMOmega_Warrior Now that fortification has the howi. OKW sim city is probably better then UKF sim city. mortar pit + bofors + 17pd < lefh + Flak HQ + pak 43 just go the commandos doc with its great offmap for 325 muni. thorw it and wipe the pak, lefh an if lucky the flak hq, and you dont even need a doc for the brit sim city In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Brits OP as F-?13 Jun 2016, 11:58 AM Jump back to quoted post13 Jun 2016, 09:41 AMFiresparks saying the brits have everything is a gross simplistic view of the faction. without their cancer emplacment, the brit is not going to have the simple amount of firepower the Ost possess. even in vanilla, the panzerwerfer have a more devastating barrage than the land mattress. Ost is the glass cannon faction in coh2. okw units selection are more "elite". Their panther can kill both infantry and tank, and the King Tiger need no explanation. The jpz4 itself is a counter to any TD used by the allied faction. The brits is the first allied faction to actually get decent tank in their doctrine, but as good as the comet is, it lack the raw strength of the axis armor. - the land matress is cheaper comes sooner needs no tech, fires waaay more rockets, has close to same range and all this make it better. the mattres will make more damage in barrgae then pwerfer in 2 -the jp4 like any other medium tank will get killed by one firefly shot followed by tulips. the result is a dead jp4 in 2 sec. -im sure that all of us would rather have the comet over the panther (tank commnder buffs, war speed, white phosphorus rounds with insane range, cooldown and price, nade abillity VS mg upgrade and blitz) the only tanks with similar role and function better than the comet are the kt and the tiger (more or less) and the command panther witch cost a lot more. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Panzer commander vs Tank commander13 Jun 2016, 11:36 AM Jump back to quoted post13 Jun 2016, 02:03 AMSvanh "ukf does everything other armies do but it does it better" is perhaps not the most considered opinion on the faction. While you have identified several balance issues with UKF (Sappers, Cromwell price, Bofors barrage, Heavy Engineers, PIATs), most of your list is composed of non-issues (Forward Assembly, 5-man upgrade, 6-Pounder accuracy bonus against light vehicles, cheap tech, dual-Brens) or a misunderstanding of unit stats or the faction (Firefly, Sniper, 17-Pounder, 'free' 25-Pounders). i didnt said that those thing are issues, foward retreat points should be removed form the game and replaced with a mobile reinforce unit like the ht, since the ukf has like now vet abillity its fine for it to keep a bit more accuracy, okw has cheap tech as well, dual brens are a problem only on sappers. the firefly is fine for it self but with tupils its op, sinper is fine since the brits have nos snare on main line inf, 17 pounder is a big big bounus that makes up for a lot of things, In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Panzer commander vs Tank commander12 Jun 2016, 21:00 PM Jump back to quoted post12 Jun 2016, 19:04 PMPencilBatRation Birts upgrade is fine, aside from the vet boost. The OKW one might need some tweaks but it is also OK. Don't underestimate the arty call in, since you can charge into AT walls and clear the remaining crews. sure its good if the at gun (not at guns) dont move for 12 sec but it will move as it sees the red flares. the off map is fine but the tank has to drop it from close distance and the time for it to hit is too long In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Panzer commander vs Tank commander12 Jun 2016, 18:44 PM Jump back to quoted post12 Jun 2016, 16:50 PMWilliam Christensen So now it's the tank commander that got butchered! I haven't heard anyone complained about this since the Brits released! I mean sure it sounds overpowered compare to the Panzer Commander, but that's not the problem. You are comparing 2 units in 2 factions, which not gonna solve anything since these two factions OVERALL are quite fairly balance (Minus the Advance Cancer but that is something for another day) What I'm trying to say is that there will be something in one faction that seem overpower to its similar feature in another faction but of course there will be something else that underpowered, and that's it! These OPs and UPs' features are those that make factions unique, provide different flavors, not just one faction being copied 5 times. people didnt complain since all they can see is the bigger balance issues. this one is smaller. i complained and you can see why. im not comparig 2 units from 2 faction i am comparing allmost similar abillties. the thiing is that everything should be balanced not op or up and right now this two abillites are not balanced this abillity has be copyed and made better cheaper and non doctrinal In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Panzer commander vs Tank commander12 Jun 2016, 16:03 PM Jump back to quoted post12 Jun 2016, 14:49 PMkitekaze Sorry, but tldr. And I don't want to derail the topic any further. So in summary you do not want to admit that axis have better stock while crying about allies stuffs that axis don't have. What happen if axis and allies stuffs are reversed? You can do that right now! Try playing allies and see for yourself. i do play allies in team games i know what i am talking about form using abillites and playing vs them trash stuff is more or less facts. sure there are better stock units on the axis side, kt, sniper, mg, etc but there are better stock stuff on the allies side asswell. my point was to prove that ukf is far from beaing weak that they need op stuff to make up for some thing lacking. the point of this thread is the panzer commader and the tank commader. if you feel that ukf needs some buffs make your thread, state your opinion i would be glad to leave my comment. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Panzer commander vs Tank commander12 Jun 2016, 12:48 PM Jump back to quoted post12 Jun 2016, 12:26 PMMr.Smith I've no idea what the proper cost for OKW Panzer Commander should be. The main reason is that OKW has so much, and so abundant recon abilities, that a LOS increase on their tanks seems redundant. I've never used the artillery ability before, so I can't comment. (Also, if you really want recon, build a Command Panther. Done.) i would rather call them scouting options since that units provide the los. okw flares reacon planes etc i would call reacon. and that scouting options are the comad panther, puma with vet, vloks with vet, jeagers, fussies with g43s, IR ht, other armies have a lot of things to scout with as well. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Panzer commander vs Tank commander12 Jun 2016, 11:07 AM Jump back to quoted post12 Jun 2016, 09:48 AMkitekaze Every factions characteristics do not mean to be the same. For example, soviet IL-2 is way too UP compare to other airplanes. Or USF or UKF cannot have stock map hack, rocket artillery, heavy tank like OKW. And OKW can upgrade top machinegun to anti-infantry and anti-air without going doctrine. By versus, you try to compare two abilities while ignoring the rest of factions capabilities just because you know you won't win argument by doing so. here i go. the IL 2 cost less there for and can and will wipe squads with around 70% hp if you can reveal a small portion of the map i would not call it a map hack. the partisan doc abillty, the g43 upgrade interrogation and the signal relay are map hacks, the IR ht is as much as a maphack as a reacon plane (take away the muni cost and the durability). ukf have the valentine tank with the same but better "map hack" even tho in a bad doc atm but still. ukf have mortar pits, bofor barage, 2 free howies witch with some commanders counter all non veichle based arty, and can even shoot in the FOW and be buffed buy the anvil specialization. i would take this over the pwerfer or stuka any day. tell me would you rather have the mg or the buffs that the tank commader gives? i think all of us would pick the tank commander. thing is that ukf does everything other armies do but it does it better. double brens, double pitas, best healing in the game, 5 man upgrade, repair unit high dps for low cost witch can take two brens and an lmg with anvil, can destroy cover, a sinper that can couter the 222, an at gun that has more accuracy then other at guns, has fast and cheap teching, best medium tank in the game for its price, best tank destroyer (+tulips), best repairs in game, a pak 43 copy with brace witch can pen world objects with its special shot and spot for its self with units inside or when near the retreat point, a retreat point where you can take wepons and upgrade it to a repair station with a commnader and it can drop arty, best offmaps in the game etc.. the list goes on and on. this shows that if brits lack one thing like a snare on the main inf they make it up with 3 more things. the point is these two abilites are the same but one is soooooo muche better that its op while the other is usless. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Panzer commander vs Tank commander12 Jun 2016, 09:26 AM Jump back to quoted post12 Jun 2016, 02:37 AMArclyte god forbid allies have something axis doesn't OKW tank commander sucks, but thats not a reason to nerf UK stuff no one is complaining about i am complaining now and for a good reason as you can see. even with no panzer commander at all, those tank commander buffs are to much for a 25 muni non doctrinal upgrade. dont you agree? imagine if the axis tanks had those buffs plus non doctrinal blitz plus non doctrinal smoke (white phosphorus) on lets say the p4 and panther that you can shoot at guns and burn them from well over 60 range and has what 5 sec cool down with 20 muni cost? i sure you would be one of the first here to write about it In: COH2 Balance