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Sorry to say, you might have a little skewed interpretation of what happened in that game. If you actually hit the three squads you 100% would not have killed only a single man, and not even HEAVILY have damaged the other 17.

I think he meant that the round fell way shorter than it should, which is indeed the case when Sturmtiger is on a slope. The steepness also affects how much short it will fall, so it's not like you can memorize where it will land in regard to target reticle.

Thanks again.

I'll try to make sure to try it out next time I fire up the mod tools when I have the time and motivation for it.

I also hope you don't mind if I send you an update or questions as well.

Of course I don't mind. I firmly believe that the more modding knowledge is in community the better.

How it is flawed really? Consider amout of muni you are paying for both abilities, then consider amout of models you need to lose to get either new osttroopen or cons squad.

I actually agree with MMX - it's not about losing full squads, it's about losing infantry models, which you will be losing over the course of the game anyway. The trick is to timing ability activation in such way that you get the most of it, so standard risk-reward design.

However, I do agree that either the required losses or the cost are not in right place right now. Additionally, the fact that you need to reach a specific number of losses to get a benefit is problematic. That's one of the reasons why I came up and implemented a rework for Rapid Conscription, which stores the number of lost models between activations.

Relief Infantry has it harder though, as unlike Conscripts, Ostruppen can't merge, so they can't even be "sacrificed" as reinforcements for veteran squads. All in all, making Relief Infantry a clone of fixed Recoup Losses (so it also triggers when models become crawling casualties) is likely going to be the course of action next patch.

Thank you for the reply.

Yeah I'm guessing it indeed was a different collision or something which again makes me wonder why they removed it.

So for the high angle I suppose that's how it can be turned into a longer range SPG then as Sander's comment explained from the other topic?

I'd really be interested to see that being done, provided you have the time of course.

Sure, it's quite easy.

First you want to clone Sturmtiger's projectile and change firing_angle_type from "low_angle" to "high_angle" like so:
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Then clone Sturmtiger's weapon and set its range into something more artillery-like:
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Finally, clone Sturmtiger's rocket attack ability and set the range to the weapon's max range:
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It's quick-and-dirty implementation, so it has no scatter and the aiming reticule doesn't change its radius according to distance from target, but it works like an SPG.

Note that the projectile's animator - armies\common\projectiles\rocket_heavy\rocket_heavy - seems to disappear after about a second of travel time. I assume it's because the devs didn't plan for it to be used in such way. The flaming "tail" is still there, so it's not like the shot is completely invisible, buuut it does look a bit off.

first of all, i'd also want to say that is a really well written and hugely informative post. thanks for putting all the effort into this!

a bit unrelated to this, but since you were talking about firing angles a bit i'd be very curious if you have any info how exactly these are calculated or chosen in-game? i tried to do a bit of research into this a while back here, but pretty much hit a brick wall.

Glad you found it informative and it's not just me venting to the void.

I don't know how the firing angles are calculated exactly, but I know that when a projectile has is_artillery set to "True" - which basically means that it travels in an arc, not in a straight line - the value in projectile_ext/speed seemingly doesn't affect projectile's velocity at all.

Now, bear in mind that everything below this line is my guesswork.

Before any calculation is done, all projectiles have the same velocity (value unknown to me). The game checks every angle (between 0 and 89, I think) whether the projectile will land at the target. Depending on firing_angle_type, it will either check from highest to lowest angle (high_angle) or from lowest to highest angle (low_angle and lowest_non_collide_angle, where the latter also checks if there are any shot blockers or terrain in the way). When it finds a suitable angle - search immediately ends, that's the angle it will use, the projectile is fired. However, in case there are no angles that land right on target, the game adds an increment to the initial velocity of the projectile dictated by the projectile_ext/artillery/speed_increment. It then once again checks all angles for one that will land on target. If there are none - repeat the whole process.

There's also speed_distance_multipler variable, which according to description is "Additions to the initial velocity based on distance to the target ms per metre ie inital speed modifier x distance to target". Almost every projectile in the game has this set between 0.1 and 0.3, but Sturmtiger and AVRE have them at -5. I haven't tested this thoroughly yet, so I'm not sure whether it actually affects anything.