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Thread: Rifle grenade=dodge BUT allied grenade=MP bleed8 Aug 2020, 01:18 AM Jump back to quoted post7 Aug 2020, 19:33 PMKatitof Did you even accepted the rule? You know, the ACTUAL rule I have brought up? Or are you saying that in context of that bullshit you have regurgitated earlier about reinforcement costs? All above is for moderation imo. The rule You quote (how manpower per model is counted) is irrelevant to the discussion we were having. Axis usually pay more per model - that is important. How it is calculated does not really matter in the context of models killed by a grenade. The fact that full health vet3 gren model will not be killed by a standard nade does not change much here. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: USF officers vs UKF officer7 Aug 2020, 17:41 PM They have a lot of great abilities and are really useful. You don't need to withdraw echelons to build base stuff to produce units. Not only that - you get them for teaching. Hard to criticize them. My personal favourite is the vet 3 out of combat speed buff. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: State of OKW in the meta 7 Aug 2020, 17:03 PM I'd allow sweepers with repair function to be purchased by volks (one model stops shooting). This would not buff volks combat performance but would buff the okw as a whole faction and would make them less vulnerable to losing the sturms. It would be enough to balance OKW against the allied factions. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Is the WC 51 overperforming ? 7 Aug 2020, 16:17 PM A great discussion. A horribly overperforming unit for its cost with a crew for free and a bunch of abilities (some of which are for free). Are U guys seriously trying to prove it is a well designed unit? Just increase the price to start with. Seems like 300mp is probably still rather cheap for all you get. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Rifle grenade=dodge BUT allied grenade=MP bleed7 Aug 2020, 15:56 PM Jump back to quoted post7 Aug 2020, 15:38 PMMr Carmine I wasent talking about the reinforce formula. I was talking about damage done and taken by soviet and ost. How soviets mostly take much more damage but cuz of lower reinforce cost loosing about 30% more models is same in costs of mp. But it just does not have to be like that. Cons, like most larger squads, often will first lose health and then will start losing models. Because they have more health than smaller squads they will usually start losing models later. If you retreat in time and don't charge them into stronger units they won't bleed you much. Generally, there is little value in this logic when it comes to discussing grenade power. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Rifle grenade=dodge BUT allied grenade=MP bleed7 Aug 2020, 14:39 PM Jump back to quoted post7 Aug 2020, 14:26 PMKatitof Funny you say that, because with recent vet changes they actually do. Vet3 grens can't be killed by nade as long as they have more then 80% health. Earlier something similar applied to Rangers as well, but it got removed and replaced by rec acc. Also, you're both completely wrong on reinforcement costs. Basic old formula is (total squad cost/model count/2), there are exceptions and vast majority of these exceptions come from axis units that have cheaper reinforce(like aforementioned obers who used to have 50mp reinforce cost) or penals who reinforce for more then the formula would indicate as a result of balance tweaks. To understand all the tweaks and changes, you'd have to go through 7 years of patch notes, but that's general formula. None of this changes the general pattern. One situation with vet 3 above 80% health gren squad changes nothing tbh. Just an exception from the rule which does not change the rule. How mp per model is counted changes nothing in this discussion, either. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Rifle grenade=dodge BUT allied grenade=MP bleed7 Aug 2020, 14:17 PM Jump back to quoted post7 Aug 2020, 14:12 PMMr Carmine It has everything to do with it. Say conscripts loose 50 models in a game. For simplicity take them at 18mp reinforce after the upgrade. Thats 900mp for reinforcing. Grens loose 30 models x 30 reinforce thats also 900 mp. Soviets loose the most models by far. Hence cheap reinforcing is a trait to stem the bleed. Cons have about 30% more losses but the mp spent on reinforcing is about the same. Rifles also drop more models then grens overall. Hence their slightly cheaper reinforce cost. It all evens out about equally in the end. That is a very wrong way of thinking I'm afraid. Grenades don't differentiate whether the squad is a con or obersoldaten squad. If they kill two models on each that is 80 vs 40 manpower and the cost of the grenade was the same. That means that grenades can be more effective pricewise for the allies. Your concept of allied players losing more models is just very arbitrary. Very often it depends so much more on types of infantry a player uses than on the faction itself. Why do you say that conscripts will lose 50 models for the 30 models lost on the gren squads? That probably means that the Soviet player just retreats too late. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Rifle grenade=dodge BUT allied grenade=MP bleed7 Aug 2020, 14:03 PM Jump back to quoted post7 Aug 2020, 10:39 AMMr Carmine Check the aftermatch grahps. It tends to show allies lost more models, lost more tanks, more damage taken due to the overall but not every case higher dps and mostly more durable tanks. This is mostly the case unless axis where dominated that game. The higher reinforce cost for inf and pricier tanks for axis even it out at the end. But it has nothing to do with that. What matters is the cost of models. With osttruppen builds ostheer will probably lose more models. With elite infantry builds it will be fewer. Grenades kill 80hp entities. The manpower cost is different for different models but grenades treat them the same. So killing an obersldaten model will cost okw 40 manpower while killing a shocktroop or guards model will cost much less. Grens will lose 30 manpower per model while cons will lose much less, etc. Same for UKF and USF infantry. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Rifle grenade=dodge BUT allied grenade=MP bleed7 Aug 2020, 07:25 AM Similar grenade use skills will lead to similar number of models killed for both allies and axis. This will usually transfer to more manpower lost for the axis, especially ostheer. Different model count for squads affects the grenade balance. It is also one of the reasons why osttruppen doctrines are popular. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Rifle grenade=dodge BUT allied grenade=MP bleed6 Aug 2020, 15:33 PM Jump back to quoted post6 Aug 2020, 11:05 AMMr Carmine I agree allied nades are more cost effective but they use nades far less then axis. This cuz they are either tech or doctrinaly locked. Also sections and rifles are very expensive to upgrade. This in turn leads to less midel losses overall and probably evens out the bleed across factions. (Edited) Not really. This grenade sidetech is not always used only because allied players prefer to get AEC, T70, or generally armour as soon as possible. They also prefer not to spend resources (fuel, monpower, munitions) on nades because they can be dodged (to many players weapon upgrades or offmaps are better in the long run). Having a vehicle faster usually will bleed the enemy more reliably and will save munitions on the mentioned upgrades or offmaps. Plus elite infantry units get grenades irrespective of extra tech premium. So what happens is that extra tech can be skipped to have vehicles faster (axis can't really do that) and elite infantry squads will have their grenades anyway. Footnote: with UKF grenade tech is actually recommended instead of weapon upgrades early game (probably due to their grenade great cost/power efficiency) In: COH2 Balance