Another good WW2 series in colour , with just narration and footage , Apocalypse: The Second World War - 1/6 - Aggression (1933--1939) , HQ .
IMHO this serie is bad, they focused too much on the battle of france and they overpassed the eastern front, they mentioned only Barbarossa (6 seconds), some of Stalingrad and magically the soviets after two years, only god knows how, they reached Berlin ... it doesn't even mention the word "Kursk".
Wespe, Grille, Hummel, Hetzer, Jagdpanther, MarderIII, Nashorn, PzIII, StuGIV, StuH. There are a lot of units to be used, but the main question remains: Can they create "Unique gameplay"? This is more important than the faction being German or Italian or anything else.
If they do the italians, it surely will be a different kind of fight, you can't rely on heavy tanks as OKW and Ostheer but you must rely on SPGs, the best examples are:
- Semovente 75/18 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semovente_75/18
- Semovente 105/25 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semovente_105/25 (for it there aren't many info in english)
The italian army will focus on the combination between infantry, artillery, light/medium tanks and SPGs.
PS: the other tanks you wrote should be given to Ostheer and OKW, especially for OKW i will give him the famous 88mm FlaK, the big guy that miss in CoH2. Anyway, i would take off Panzer III, for the ostheer i would send the Wespe, Hetzer, Jagdpanther and StuH42, for OKW Hummel, Marder III and Nashorn.
Forgotten Nations: Hungary will be out in a week or so, I have delayed release until after the patch discussion dies down
Hungary, Romania and Finland need to be portrayed, thanks to god some games did it, if i remember well we have Hungarians in Codename Panzers Phase 1 during Soviet campaign, the Romanians are in Men of War Red Tide and Finland ... i don't know. They need justice. They had been ignored.
Interesting, perhaps they could be similar to panzer elite from coh1 a fast mechanised force with glass cannons? I admit Italian warfare is not my strongpoint, I do recall they were excellent at digging in and defending (not sure though). This would be refreshing, coh2 could use a faction focused on transports and speed.
My idea of the italian was:
- infantry is similar to soviets and ostheer: engineers, riflemen, HMGs, Mortars and Bersaglieri as special troops, specialized in assaulting positions
- artillery: an AT gun (Cannone 75/32) and an Anti-infantry (Cannone 75/18) similar to OKW's one
- vehicles: an halftrack (FIAT-SPA S37)and the Lancia Lince, an Anti-Infantry vehicle
- tanks: a tankette (L3/33), light tanks (L6/40 and M15/42 even if italy classified it as medium "M") and a SPG (Semovente 75/18), their cost in fuel isn't high but the manpower cost will be higher. I think that this will be hard to play, especially if you don't win early, anyway i think that italians will complete the axis army with an army not focused on super-heavy-monster-uber-omg-heavy tanks.
The only thing i would change to my idea is taking Lancia Lince off and adding Semovente 105/25 to give the italians jackson's counterpart.
What were the Italians meant to do, their armour was useless compared to British tanks. Also most of the Axis in Europe were small, with neither the population or the economy to field armies on the scale of Russia or Germany. As a faction they might work, they would need german armor to be competitive with other factions. They would be better suited as a doctrine for Ostheer perhaps.
Also, by Afrika Korps I meant the Itallian and German forces, would love to see italian infantry and tankettes, and it would be a golden opportunity to see the Panzer III.
The italian tanks lacked in armour but not for the artillery! I see the italian faction similar to the USF for the tanks, no heavy tanks but many light/medium tanks and SPGs. (Semovente 75/18, Semovente 105/25).
PS: a fantastic Anti-tank and anti-aircraft gun is Cannone 90/53 Mod.1939, better than 88mm FlaK.
Why? Germanys Allies didn´t do much. The Italians fucked up, asked the Germans for help on the Balcans/Greece. Fucked up in North Africa and asked the Germans for help to eventually turn on them and join the Allies. Their equipment wasn´t good either.
The other factions are too small. Romanians, Bulgarians and Hungarians fighting in every game is strange.
In the Balkans, they didn't asked help to Germany.
In Greece Italy didn't ask german help, germans attacked because the greek army was facing the italians in Lybia and only few units were defending the metaxas line. Anyway Mussolini didn't join the allies, after being arrested by the king, THE KING, not Mussolini, joined the allies. When you talk about Italy it's difficult even saying all the italians betrayed the germans because you forget that Italy was divided in North and South, the North was in the axis and the South with the allies. Their equipment wasn't good either in 1940, but after 1941 the army had been modernized, not on scale as germany but take a look only to the SPGs. There's a huge difference between italian army in 1940 with italian army of 1941.
Think that in CoH2 you don't have problems about poor leadership because you're commanding the troops, no supply problems and this game is not historical, if Relic would have done this every match should be:
1) germans advance near the allied HQ
2) the allies retake the positions
3) the germans counterattack but fail
4) the allies win
5) end
Or especially as soviets, at the beginning of the match you will lose million units as deads and POWs.
Arika korps fought in 1943 which is when most of the advanced vehicles were produced such as Tiger and Elefant. There was Tiger tanks in afrika korps.
Please no Afrika Korps, mind this: if you have to do something about eastern front you don't say that's a clash between Soviet Union and Romania, you say Germany and its allies vs Soviet Union.
The same for Africa, you can't say Afrika Korps vs British forces, you should say Italy + german support vs British forces. Seriously the famous Afrika Korps was composed of 5 divisions (4 before El Alamein), while Italians sent in Lybia (italian colony) 24 divisions, even if Rommel commanded the troops, he was not the commander in chief of the operation because the commander was the governor of Lybia.
PS: Afrika Korps was not composed of the best units that Germany had ... just to debunk some myths. I'm not against adding factions, i'm all for adding new factions, i'm very excited for the british! But i'm tired of reading and listening DAK did this, DAK did that, Rommel here, Rommel there, Rommel everywhere. I'm tired that in WW2 games we have Germans VS the world (in fact this could be true) but CoH2 has not a specific time even if many say late 1944, i don't agree because we have Moscow Outskirts (1941), Stalingrad (1942 - 1943) and so on. I think that the new front should be the mediterranean and this is the moment for the italian army, and i'm sure it could fit in CoH2 also because there won't be problems that italy had: poor leadership because you're in command not the generals, no supply problems and so on.
For the tanks i know that they have a light armour but Italy's strenght is its SPGs primarily.
I'd prefer Italy instead of Afrika Korps because if you must represent the armies that fought primarily in the mediterranean theater of war you can't chose between Germany and USA
For the allies you should represent the Commonwealth because they started that war from 1940 until 1945, of course in "commonwealth" i mean brits, aussies, canadians, indians and the other countries.
For the axis troops the only option is Italy, why the DAK? Of course that Rommel is german but he was not the leader of the axis troops in Africa but Mussolini, the Italian High Command in Rome and the Governor of Italian Libya.
PS: the vast majority of axis troops in Africa were the italians. And the italian have the weapons, vehicles, tanks, etc. to take part in CoH2, remember that i don't mean the italian army of 1940 but the italian army of 1943. (the same date for ostheer and soviets).
The better choice will be a mix of italian-german troops (light italian troops + heavy german troops named Axis Korps for exemple)... So everbody will be happy !
Please no mixed army, it's possible to do a italian faction without german support.
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