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The StG by mid-late game is support DPS against mid-short range Allied infantry while Volks provide faust support. Volks by mid-late should be supplemented by MGs from the HQ, call-ins, or Obers.

StG provide short\range support indeed, but its simply not enouth. Allied inf are very potent with vet 3, this means that all your main DPS will be based around Obers\Jaegers\Fallshims and so on. So volks shield ... yeah, volks are for shielding, not for dealing damage, but in that case, I would rather see them supporting with light AT capabilities and guards like (or worst) AI capabilities with AT rifles.

At the same time, MG34 comming after building T1\T2 aswell as faust in that case, you pretty much have to tech T1 ASAP, to be able to hold enemy inf, get faust to help poor raketen and have STG upgrade. In other words T1 is the only chose for OKW to at least somehow hold the ground against allied inf and light armor.

T2 is going to work ONLY if you go for Luft\Defensive doctrine, because you simply cant hold the ground without MG as OKW right now.

Also, Raketens are near levels of other ATGs in my mod. I didn't think they should keep the cloak gimmick stock. It has the same accuracy as other ATGs and has a rate of fire on par with the 6pdr. I'll attempt to do so more spacing changes and redjust price.

Problem with raketen is that it can be suppresed, so pretty much you can support your tank with any kind of suppresion unit and simply deny raketenwerfer without need of killing it.

As for possible AT rifles, I'll think about it or give Sturms shrecks so Volks aren't the solution to everything early game. But we'll have to see.

You should't give schrecks to anyone at least untill veterancy fix. In correct game any non-tank unit with AT capabilities will be max vetted after couple of shots. This will lead to vet 5 stums like in no time. And because of their vet, you really dont want this to happen.

Not sure how I feel about brits\OKW and USF, because you know, faction with barracks near exit will have some feelable advantage over them. Not ofcouse in first 2 squads, but on 3th+ squad they will have it.

im actually afraid of stg volks dominating cons

Only cons will be dominated by STG volks, but again, you have your penals + maybe maxim or so. But yeah, cons spam not gonna work against STG volks, but you know its more problem of cons perfomance rather then volks STG.

Volks dont need schreck and removing it is a step forward.

Now lets speak about upcomming volks STG44. Before you say something like "we should wait untill balance pre-view", let me remind you that competitive edition already released and you can test things in it.


So Volks stg ... are they needed? I think no.

After playing few 1v1s against my frieds using Competitive Edition, volks STG is feels more like ... g43 for panzergrens in Vannila game.

The thing is that yes STG give you improved AI, but its not enouth to stay against Penals or Rifles or everything else aside cons. All thouse units still will be better then STG volks, volks would be able to kill more models sure, but thats it.

Not to mention that STG gives volks no offensice capabilities. With STG you have to sit behind cover and dont move, because ones you left cover for at least few seconds, you will lose engajement.

Removing schreck, leaving OKW with no inf AT aside from raketen, which is still bad ... even in competitive mod its bad. I have no idea how highter rec.accuracy, removed clock justufy +5 range and fire arc and cost increase ... but thats the different story.

Raketen have its advantages ofcouse like clocking and ability to garrisone buildings, but all this advantages covered by long aim, long reload, inta-wipes and suppresion. So its kinda soft counter to any light and for sure medium tanks.

Now lets speak about teching, both MG34 and STG are locked untill first building. So MG34 in a core building pretty much means nothing. Because you have to rush T1 as OKW, to be able to build MG34, give STG and unlock faust to help rakketen, and ofcouse some inderect fire unit, but this tier makes you almost defensless against any kind of early armor.

OR you have to wait until T2 and play like first 5-6 mins ONLY with volks and pios and possibly go for luft or def doc for an MG42 (since I think you would get 1CP faster then your T2 anyway). And all this to get puma and try to counter enemy light armor.

So in other words StG feels really weak and rather pointless, since they dont give volks any kind of feelable power. Imagine upgrade wich would turn conscripts into penals in case of DPS. Its pretty much the same. It looks cool but have no really use aside from munition wasting.

My suggestions

Remove STG and replace it with x2 Panzerbusche awaible after building T1\T2. With properly balanced Panzerbusche OKW can have old perfomance against light armor and would be more free and less punishing to chose T1 or T2. So they wont rely only on raketen early on.

At the same time Panzerbusche can slightly buff volks AI capabilities, because its AT rifle, but still rifle.

And ofcouse volks wont be so deadly against tanks with Panzerbusche so in late gate they would be more supportive AT unit, rather then main AT unit.

Raketenwerfer still suck big ass and all its "features" greatly compinsated with its disavantages.

So pretty much OKW will have the weakes AT capabilities in the game, because pretty much PIV is overpriced garbage compare to cromwell. Pather is good, but all Allied factions now have something to fight heavy armor.

Dont know, removing schrecks without proper buffs to raketen (not just +5 range) its bad way to go, because we will most likely face old "OKW gameplay", when in game after game they simply got rushed my massive amount of armor without any proper counter play.