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Thread: What to do with the MG34?18 Aug 2015, 15:52 PM Jump back to quoted post18 Aug 2015, 15:29 PMCookiezNcreem OKW doesn't need any more area denial It doesn't have any area denial outside of the Flak HQ. Compared to Ostheer which has bunkers and good MG's and minefields. Soviets have plentiful explosives to deny points and the maxim is finally a good MG. As a reminder the Maxim (and of course .50) have tech costs which are not inconsiderable, while the MG34 has none. Until such time as I can build Maxims and .50's at 1 cp without tech the cost of the MG34 should remain. In its current format the MG34 is fine, if you are willing to change the way the MG34 is built and the faction slightly we can talk about changes. I want to reiterate for 210 mp in a faction that rarely lacks mp you can have a suppression platform at no tech cost, instantly, and salvage the gun if you lose the crew for fuel. It also comes with 5 possible levels of vet and a good vet one ability. Except with veterancy it still can't take on any other MG in the game 1 on 1. Be it without vet or with veterancy. The reason why the popular suggestion is to raise the cost and buff it is that it wouldn't be spammable and it would actually do what it's supposed to do. In 4's it might be fine but in 1's and 2's it sucks that you can't rely on it at all. And it doesn't help 1 of the doctrines it's stuck in (Luftwaffe) is shit. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: What to do with the MG34?18 Aug 2015, 15:29 PM Jump back to quoted post18 Aug 2015, 15:10 PMOZtheWiZARD Hey Alex, is there any unit in OKW arsenal you wouldn't like to change? Seriously everything is either under performing or not worth buying for you. You want to buff every single OKW unit there is! I adore most of the OKW arsenal Yet somehow is able to suppress multiple squads, has much wider con of fire when compared to maxim and is more durable than '50. It's like MG42 with slightly worse suppression and weaker damage. What's that you're saying? It costs 210MP? 30MP less than standard HMG? Well I guess it's fine then. What's that again? OKW doesn't have any stock HMG? Is that true? Is there any unit fulfilling this role? There is? It's called Kubel? So MG34 is only available as a supplement to your army when picking specific commanders and it was never designed as OKW core unit due to overall OKW army balance? Oh, well I guess that explains a lot. I'd say MG34 is fine as it is then. It doesn't have slightly worse suppression, it has MUCH worse suppression. And the kubel can't scale into late game due to how easy it is to kill when AT guns and tanks hit the field. There is zero reason for the MG34 to stay as is when it has much worse DPS than squads that are cheaper than it is. Ill say what I said in the other thread, play some more OKW before trying to argue the factions strengths and weakness's. if you think price is cheap and its performance justify its price difference let's look at 4 major stat of HMGs HMG34 210MP DPS: close: 10.098, Far: 0.9919 Suppression close: 0.3564 Far: 0.1944 Setup time 0.65 HMG42 280MP DPS: close: 27.7200, Far: 6.1064 Suppression close: 0.4752 Far: 0.2592 setup time 0.65 Maxim 240MP DPS: close: 24.6628, Far: 6.7045 Suppression close: 0.2499 Far: 0.2678 .50 Cal 280MP DPS: close 26.8169 far: 6.0225 Suppression close:0.4950 Far: 0.2400 so from the stat HMG34 is 30MP cheaper than Maxim while its DPS is 40.9% close 14.79% far Suppression is 142.6% close 72.6% far so I add those percent together and divide by 4 is 67.72% so for 12.5% cheaper price in MP HMG34 have 67.72% stat of Maxim in those 4 category, you may say about is arc bigger, but Maxim have more man and quicker setup HMG34 is 70MP cheaper than HMG42 while its DPS is 36.43% close 16.24% far Suppression is 75% close 75% far so I add those percent together and divide by 4 is 50.67% so for 25% cheaper price in MP HMG34 have 50.67% stat of HMG42 in those 4 category HMG34 is 70MP cheaper than .50cal while its DPS is 37.65% close 16.46% far Suppression is 72% close 81% far so I add those percent together and divide by 4 is 55.64% so for 25% cheaper price in MP HMG34 have 55.64% stat of .50cal in those 4 category the price is justify for its suppression stat wise, but its damage is not, and its real performance is about less than halve effective as HMG42, it should at least increase the damage to match the price like 75% of HMG42 damage or increase its suppression to match with HMG42 but damage stays same. you may say HMG is not suppose to do damage things, but can you deny that HMG team damage helped alot during engagement, if all HMG have similar damage as HMG34, I think there will no more Maxim spam thing anymore. because infantry can stay in the zone all day long to give vision for mortars to pick out HMG team. Exactly, HMG's are supposed to do damage AND suppression. Because it's to easy to kill the HMG team if it can't punish the units staying inside it's LOF> In: COH2 Balance
Thread: What to do with the MG34?18 Aug 2015, 14:52 PM Jump back to quoted post18 Aug 2015, 14:49 PMImagelessbean Calm down, this is a discussion. I am calm? Vet 5 MG34 is amazing, it offers a number of nice vet bonuses and if you want to beat other MG's straight up just drop inc. On the other hand if you use a suppression platform to suppress basic inf you will find that by the time it reaches vet 5 it is quite nice. Pop inc if you want to drop some models. Even with incendiary rounds active I still couldn't get it to beat a single vet 3 MG 1 on 1. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: What to do with the MG34?18 Aug 2015, 14:42 PM Jump back to quoted post18 Aug 2015, 14:30 PMLucas Troy My original post: The maxim does better AoE suppression purely by the fact that it has better accuracy and better base suppression. The only difference is the MG34 does it's "suppression AoE" in a slightly larger area. So no; the MG34 isn't better at suppressing blobs. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: What to do with the MG34?18 Aug 2015, 14:40 PM Jump back to quoted post18 Aug 2015, 14:26 PMKatitof Also, I've seen enough vet 3-5 HMG34s to say that it doesn't have problems vetting. Lower cost means also lower vet requirements. It takes almost 10+ minutes of uninterrupted shooting to get to vet 5, this assume it doesn't die, and it has something just sitting in it's LOF for 10+ minutes straight. So no, it doesn't get to vet 3 or 5 now often enough to justify it's shit performance. And even at vet 5 it's still ass. I tested it's performance against other MG's as well. At vet 5 even after 20 tries it lost every time to a vet 3 maxim, vet 3 MG42, and vet 3 .50 cal. MG34 is fine as it stands, but if you want to buff it then you have to do something with the Kubel. The Kubel flying around suppressing units and then allowing a 1CP MG to wreck everything else when it arrives is not a great idea. Which is why one of the suggestions is to move the Kubel to doctrine and the MG34 out of doctrines. And I doubt Kubel + MG34 would be an issue considering Soviets can achieve mass suppression now right at the start of the game. You can't spam Kubel's either. This would give the OKW a fair suppression unit and would prevent the really annoying play that Kubels encourage. It also would be cheap and effective in combination with Sturms to be deadly. Getting it out early would allow it to gain vet quickly, and because its damage is so low it needs to be able to pack up quickly to do its main job of suppression. The vet you suggested (20 seconds increased damage) is effectively the incendiary rounds but with a debuff active after use. Really don't see the need to remove inc rounds as the vet makes sense (increase damage on low damage gun to get vet and punish players in arc). A vet 5 MG34 is still a PoS. It can't win versus any other MG in the game one on one. And as I pointed out earlier it's not an effective suppression platform either compared to things very similar in cost. Incendiary rounds also increase pen and damage, I proposed a vet ability that increases ROF because it would be unique to the MG34. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: What to do with the MG34?18 Aug 2015, 14:29 PM Jump back to quoted post18 Aug 2015, 14:23 PMFul4n0 4 seconds in the early game??? or late game??? please, elaborate... Early in the game, were maxims and MG34's are most likely to be built. To put things in perspective.... -The maxim does more suppression at every range beyond 15 -The maxim does 24.7 close range DPS and 6.5 far DPS -The MG34 has 10 close range DPS and .997 far DPS -The MG34 has a longer reload and and it reloads more frequently In: COH2 Balance
Thread: What to do with the MG34?18 Aug 2015, 14:22 PM Jump back to quoted post18 Aug 2015, 14:18 PMKatitof Penals are 10 mp cheaper then rifles. Want to compare their effectiveness? Hint: Penals are considerably weaker. Or compare cons to penals. 30 mp is quite a lot. Nobody thinks Penals are fine, and they have nothing to do with the thread topic. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: What to do with the MG34?18 Aug 2015, 14:17 PM Jump back to quoted post18 Aug 2015, 14:14 PMFul4n0 and is cheaper....why should do suppress more than a maxim??? I didn't ask for it to do more. But right now it's only 30 MP cheaper will doing a lot less. 30 mp is like 4 seconds of MP income. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Faction comparison by Relic18 Aug 2015, 14:16 PM Jump back to quoted post18 Aug 2015, 14:14 PMIron Emperor Also with the Pak 43 doc you get bunkers, which make the emplacements a bit okeish Eh, having to upgrade bunkers with the MG takes away munitions I like to use on mines. But they aren't bad. It's better to make trenches/bunkers to put racktens in. In: Lobby
Thread: What to do with the MG34?18 Aug 2015, 14:10 PM Jump back to quoted post18 Aug 2015, 14:09 PMLucas Troy DPS isn't it's main role, though. It's supposed to suppress blobs, and it does that better than a maxim while costing less than a maxim. The maxim has other advantages but I don't think the MG34 is really such a bad unit. Did you even read the OP? It does less suppression than the maxim does. In: COH2 Balance