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Jump back to quoted post18 Jul 2015, 17:49 PMGluhoman

And what about muricans?

Jump back to quoted post18 Jul 2015, 16:38 PMcomm_ash

Tier cost influences timing of units (when they first hit the battlefield).

Unit cost represents their intended performance, directly comparable to other units. (This is why the OKW P4 is more expensive than an Ostheer P4 despite having a fuel penalty)

The Panther excels when it is outnumbered. It can take advantage of high armor, above-average range, and high speed to make the most of a players' micro. It is infinitely easier to micro 1 unit than it is to micro 2, tanking damage so that other units can deal the DPS unmolested. This is exactly how the OKW P5 works, and the Ostheer P5 is exactly the same.

At the end of the day, it is your decision, but remember that you do not have to rush the Panther. It is perfectly viable to progress to T4 from T3 in longer games (quite often doable in a 2v2), meaning that their will be plenty of armor support for your Panther.

Jump back to quoted post18 Jul 2015, 16:09 PMThe Silver Sage

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You forgot Soviets require AT nades at the least so 80+90+25+130= 325 so they come out at the same time.
Also you will have tier 4 which gives you free light/medium at bubble to utilise and best inf at on core infantry. Soviet rely a lot more on vehicles to get decent AT so I don't see the problem with them getting the 2nd t34-85 faster as by that point OKW will be well on the way to panther while utilising their ubiquitous AT sources.
It's not as straight forward as you seem to think.

Yes, i did, and i still believe that the medium call in commanders will dominate the meta.

Jump back to quoted post18 Jul 2015, 15:45 PMNailirie

Taking Soviets as example cause thats the only faction I've tested it out enough on.

I made a similar thread in alphaforums regarding the issue. T3 for Soviets is sort of a must-do thing now, and transitioning from T3 to T-34-85 cost you 230 (220 with recent adjustment) fuel. If its a close game and possibly gone for a while, I often found myself just scrapping the idea of 34-85s and going for the IS-2 instead since it was the same price

When the changes were still in Alpha (34-85s were 140 fuel like in first version of the preview, I'll give you that) rushing for 34-85s was a horrific idea atleast. Even with 130 fuel Ostheer can reliably get a P IV before the 34-85 is out even if its rushed.

Besides, with the new T3 being so delicious for Soviets I don't see any logical reason to push straight for the T-34-85s.

Jump back to quoted post18 Jul 2015, 15:21 PMKatitof

Only because you can't make a follow up with another quickly.

OKW's fuel penalty ensures that that panther won't have a replacement for a long time, thats why it isn't OP. If any faction can gain the ability to build a heavy for every 1.5 mediums, it would be broken. This is why teching is a thing, to ensure that vehicles, light armor, medium armor, and heavy armor all have their respective moments of superiority. Otherwise, why not just unlock all tech buildings immediately and let everyone build what they want as thy gain the resources?

The Panther is not the only tank in T4. The Brummbar is the AI counterpart to the Panther, and it is very powerful. If you could get T4 out at the same time as you unlock T3 for example, the USF player would have no choice to rely heavily on AT platforms instead of AI. This would make Shermans lose their window of strength, and force USF players to build nothing but Jacksons to amass AT DPS. With a Jackson costing only 50 less fu than a panther, it would not be a very sustainable rate of trade, especially since USF AT guns and bazookas are less than useful in a supporting fire role against Panthers.

It absolutely is a luxury. T4 is something to unlock after you enter the late-lategame. It is there for when you are popcapped and floating fuel. It allows you to take advantage of Ostheer's superior medium armor survivability and scaling to get even better tanks out of the gate lategame.