Profile of dOPEnEWhAIRCUT

some of the suggestions for making sturmtiger more noticeable so somehow it balances out its wipe-ability is off the point imo.

remember old close air support commander? the one which had stuka AT ability that would kill any allied medium tanks (800hp ones included) if used half competently? people defended the commander by saying that it clearly has smoke signals... if you were on the edge of the map, you had 2 seconds to dodge or if you were in the middle of the map (2v2), you had 4-5 seconds to dodge.

but it was not about whether it had clear signal or not. the real problem was that it wiped tanks. it does not punish tanks, it kills them outright. that is the problem with designs of sturmtiger, demos and goliath. they are not "blob counters" they "unit(s) wipers". one sturmtiger shot, one goliath or one demo kills one squad just as effectively and all the while being worthwhile.

so if anything, like @buttcheeksontoast said, it should be redesigned so it does not go against coh2 basic logic.

My point is that balance currently seems to go like this: A community figurehead will target something they don't like then garner support from the usual parrots, and we'll see patch notes/mod changes reflective of that. Those changes are usually over the top, and switch up meta only enough for another flavor of cheese to dominate, people get fed up with that - rinse repeat.

The approach to balance should be more about changing as little as possible with each patch, so that new versions of the game don't have their own blatant over the top and over performing units that are targeted and over nerfed in the next patch. I get this approach may not be the most appropriate for CoH2, because from my understanding Relic doesn't intend to release more than 2 patches in a year - but the current mad dash to drastically change things up each patch just means longer wait times to fix issues created by those patches. Also, this community clearly lacks the ability to come at each topic objectively, another huge flaw in the philosophy that community driven balance can work.

That all being said I will agree that being able to silently park behind a shot blocker and fire through it is a bit cheesy, but as you stated it's comparable to demo charges and goliaths, which at times can also seem cheesy. I don't think that's reason to remove them or change them so that they function differently then they currently do, that just invites more blobbing. And we all know how much this community hates blobbing. There's definitely a solution to making the unit more "fair" while letting it maintain it's role - but finding that solution is going to require more thought than "remove from game".

Because I can count on anything I find frustrating to play against being removed from the game (or nerfed into oblivion) at some point. Essentially, it's a game that that lowers itself to my standards so that I don't have to work too hard to be "good" at it.

Ok, I'll exaggerate it more so you could understand what I mean:
don't play the game because you can lose it.

Please talk slower and use smaller words so I can understand. I'm not fluent in biased one dimensional thinking. All I can assume from this statement is that you truly believe that FRPs are I win buttons. Is that what you're trying to get across?

Each mortar is 1 less penal or guard or whatever faction you're facing. You should be able force them off with FRP in 2 attacks max. Then you can cap everything around and repair your FRP safely.

Mix units? Have suppression options along with mainline who can keep infantry at the FRP from effectively maneuvering? Hell, even drive a halftrack up to the FRP in order to reinforce your infantry while he's reinforcing his?

And by indirect I mean mortars because the REAL counters to FRPs like rocket artillery come very late, when the damage is already done.

Part of your problem with dealing with FRPs is that you believe the above is actually true. There are so many options for each of the factions that allow you to put pressure on and destroy FRPs. The longer you wait to deal with them is just more momentum you are gifting to your opponent. But you'll be happy to know that FRPs will come a bit later now in the FBP (A reasonable change).

Shitty OKW players always pretend like FRP is a penalty, while it is a bonus.

You know that there are two other factions that have FRP, right? Both happen to be Allied factions... Careful, your bias is showing.

There are NO risks in FRP, unless you're got so used to FRP faceroll on big maps in teamgames that you're building it in the middle of map.

Keep on thinking that, you're only hurting yourself and limiting your ability to deal with and capitalize on your opponent's use of FRPs

There's a reason why Relic decided not to go with the FRP redesign that was originally presented by the unofficial balance mod team, and alot of you fail to realize this: Simply reworking a feature so that it doesn't resemble it's previous state or outright removing it entirely, especially when it is a part of more than half the factions available, is extremely detrimental to game balance.

Just because something has counterplay doesn't mean that it is risky.

It is like saying that building armor is risky because there are AT guns in the game.

Care to elaborate on that point? What you've said contradicts itself when stated like that.

Investing in armor when the enemy has plenty of AT options is generally a risky move, yes. Just like investing in a FRP when the enemy has plenty of indirect and suppression options. Generally when something "has counterplay" and it is out in the field in abundance then yes, it is quite risky to go with the option you know is going to be countered.

For those of you who are unfamiliar with it: it is a game where two factions fight a persistent war over the course of RL days-weeks. Essentially each player is a soldier in a war that can feature 80-140 total players, and each player contributes to their faction's success either through fighting/defending on the front line, building and fortifying forward outposts that serve as spawn points and staging grounds for soldiers fighting at the front, farming resources in order to produce the weapons/vehicles/structures used to fight the war or providing logistics through transporting soldiers and resources/weapons to the front. It's a game that is much more interesting to play than to hear about. The game features a number of maps and ways to play (campaign mode or jump-in-and-play servers). It is a game that becomes more fun and interesting with cooperation and team play, and there is plenty of strategy involved.

For those of you who do own it and enjoy it what are your favorite aspects of the game? Least favorite? Anyone interested in getting a CoH community group together to play?