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Thread: Changes i feel grens need7 May 2020, 17:48 PM Jump back to quoted post7 May 2020, 17:32 PMHannibal Well it really depends what and against whom you are comparing and how much this makes sense. 4 mainlines or similars make sense on all factions since this is a viable build. Additional AT gun also makes sense for basically all factions, additional MG not so much since OKW and USF were not designed to use MGs as an integral part and UKF and SOV don't necessarily need one either, especially not in the early game and even more especially not in the early game against Ostheer. Also we may should not forget to compare the strengths of the composition afterwards (and the amount of unit options each faction gets). This is obviously quite tricky and situation dependent, but at least some points can be considered. E.g. Riflemen cost more than Grenadiere. Does USF therefor draw the short end of the stick? Nope, because Riflemen are very good infantry that usually beat Grenadiere unless you go for a long range shoot out. Similarly you can argue that OST get's it's 251 or 222 faster than SOV get their T70, but that's scewed as well. Now obviously there are more factors to that like for example OST's faction design in the early game revolving around using the MG42 and Grenadiere in conjunction, but we should not leave the power level out of sight. I agree with that but don't forget the Topic's title. People wants strong grenadiers to go toe to toe with riflemen and Tommies, they don't care much about Cons in their logic. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Pioneers after early game7 May 2020, 16:39 PM Jump back to quoted post7 May 2020, 16:20 PMVipper Because they both have long range rifles. You want compare RE with pioneer on accuracy ? ok here are the numbers: Pioneers: Accuracy near 0.463 Accuracy mid 0.27 Accuracy far 0.115 RE Accuracy near 0.403 Accuracy mid 0.288 Accuracy far 0.23 Re have better accuracy from mid and above so if RE have "bad" accuracy according to you Pionners have even worse accuracy. Are you happy now? which is giving close to 0 information about the situation. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Pioneers after early game7 May 2020, 15:54 PM Jump back to quoted post7 May 2020, 15:36 PMVipper Another myth. RE have better DPS than C.E. and there is nothing wrong with their accuracy because they have high ROF. Why do you compare only combat engineer on a topic dedicated to pioneers. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Pioneers after early game7 May 2020, 15:34 PM Jump back to quoted post7 May 2020, 15:23 PMJibberJabberJobber The first and foremost problem with EFA Engineer units is that their veterancy requirements are (much) higher than Rear Echelons. If they could reach vet 2 easier with their current performance, it wouldn't be important if they don't scale in combat. You want to avoid combat with them in any case, except if they have flamethrowers. It has probably to do with RE vet0 bad accuracy. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Changes i feel grens need7 May 2020, 14:54 PM Jump back to quoted post7 May 2020, 12:12 PMHannibal Instead we should have a look at which times and for how much investment a faction can reach certain milestones like "4 mainlines and a support weapon on the field", "viable unlock of weapon upgrades" etc. I'm pretty sure Ostheer is dominant in the majority of those milestones. 4x mainline + 1 HMGs, they're first. (how couln't they be) 4x mainline + 1 support + 1 elite: first 4x mainline + 1 support + at snare + ai grenade: probably second behind OKW 4x mainline + 1 support + 1 elite + at snare + ai grenade: first again 4x mainline + 1 support + 1 elite + at snare + ai grenade + light vehicle (222): first again 4x mainline + 1 support + 1 elite + at snare + ai grenade + light vehicle + medic: probably 2nd depending on how you count OKW healing crate. In fact, maybe except Brit, if you top all upgrades for USF and Soviet before teching medium tanks, Pz4 is cheaper to reach than Sherman and probably equal to T34. BUT we all know Soviet need badly the T70 to stay on the game, so if we count a T70 before going T34, the Pz4 is hitting the field before even if the Ostheer player went 251 AND 222. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Changes i feel grens need7 May 2020, 07:45 AM Or maybe it is because Assgren and Ostruppen are too good early game when associated with the HMG42. We didn't see many games where Ostheer weren't dominating early stage of the game with them. At the moment Ostheer with them get either: 1- A super oppressive early game with Assgrenadiers on which you can transition into 4min pzgren/222. If you apply a correct pressure it is really hard for your opponent to get a light vehicle to pressure back the assgren. (not counting the mines you can plant since you don't use your munition on LMGs). And then even if you have to retreat you still have the HMG42 and pio superior vision to temporize. 2- Ostruppen SPAM to expend rapidly forcing your opponent to build more infantry and then you follow with a fast 251 flamer to punish it. Here again the HMG42 + pio is key as a backbone to lock a side of the map while you overwhelm the other part. I'm not against having Oshteer as an oppressive early game faction or being able to rush the 251/flamer so fast but at the same time having the best tool for defense forcing your opponent to build a mortar or other dedicated unit/upgrade to counter/soft counter it is problematic. Its even more problematic because Relic changed the design of other factions specifically in that way before finally deciding to buff the Ostheer early game. So now if you want to bring the grenadier to their level, you're simply going to break the balance. Because grenadiers unlike Assgren or Ostruppen get faster upgrades and much more relevant buffs with vet. If any change should be done with the Grenadiers, then the HMG42 and other supporting weapons in T1, 222, 251 and pzgren they all should be nerfed in some ways to compensate it. I also don't like the idea to give them bonus damage vs suppressed units because that's going against the design of the game and how units interact. To Flank a HMG you must force it to fire on something, if that something (or someone) now get extra damage from the grenadiers around you're simply making this core design mechanism irrelevant. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Stronger Fraction in 4v4/3v34 May 2020, 17:18 PM Jump back to quoted post4 May 2020, 16:46 PMT.R. Stormjäger Who the F builds Panthers in teamgames? I got to 58 Ost in 3s easily and I either go Elephant or double StuGG. I have built like 2 Panthers the last 50 games as Ostheer. StuGG for life. You are a pro. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Vehicles crushing infantry: Skill or abuse?4 May 2020, 12:32 PM Crushing late game but also pushing early game with light vehicle. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Vehicles crushing infantry: Skill or abuse?4 May 2020, 12:26 PM Jump back to quoted post3 May 2020, 21:55 PMKatitof Game must be really perfectly balanced if people start complaining about most basic, staple mechanics of the game. Either that, or there is a dangerous re-emergence of people who want to nuke everything that isn't basically MOBA pushing creep line style of battle, but without heroes. Or new Meta for a certain faction based spaming early game a certain type of infantry without pfaust. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Raketens should lose their received accuracy bonus4 May 2020, 09:50 AM Price is not a problem, forgiveness for being overextended vs infantry is. In: COH2 Balance