Profile of Dharx

I think the ZIS speed debuff would be a good compromise. It would add some convenience, fix awkward interaction while not providing enough mobility to allow for cheese. Win win.

I would still just remove sandbags from all main line infantry (gren, rifle, conscripts, IS, volks). Give the sandbag building to engineer units (rear,pio,sturm,engineer,soviet engi)

Not a viable idea I think, Sturmpios and REs are already overburdened with tasks and Conscript sandbags are part of their compensation for underwhelming combat performance.

Total soviet cost has already been reduced and these is little to justify further reduction, that was my point I am sticking with it.

This is the original claim I quoted and which I believe is misleading.

That is why I talked about total cost.

And comparing total cost on live vs total cost on test makes no sense, as the former doesn't realistically include molly at all. It's two different tech trees. Molly costs munition, it's too slow at vet 0/1 and even if you get it, you might not ever use it because you already spend everything else on upgrades/mines/commander abilities/snares.

You are a talking about unit performance not tech

Of course I am, you can't decouple cost from performance. Even you never fail to mention that medics now perform better. Timing is not important because you wan't to hit better numbers in some scoreboards, it's important because it provides power spikes during specific windows. If such spike is lower, you might want to reduce the price.

The fact that osttruppen and 5 men grenadier have been hit the nerf hammer already make Soviet competitive.

Sure, I've expressed the same opinion in that hijacked meta prediction thread, and what does that have to do with T1 builds? Those are notoriously bad against OST in general, regardless of their other disadvantages.

Total cost remain lower while benefiting from superior healing and earlier T3.

Again, total cost is only lower if you count molly on live that nobody ever uses. That's pointless comparison. Sure, you can now say you can get it all now for sligthly better price, but that's not the same as saying that teching is now getting cheaper. If you want the same stuff on test, you have to pay a bit more fuel and slightly less manpower than on live. T3 timing is better, T4 timing is worse. You now get a molly that you might not want. If you throw in performance, which you both seem to want to do and not at the same time, you can say that medics got better, but also most core units got nerfed, soem off-meta untis got slightly buffed, but that's impossible to quantify and you'd also need to consider matchups (OST nerfed, OKW buffed).

See how complicated that actually is?

The what I have said and will say it again is there is little to justify even lower tech cost for soviet, unless you come up with argument why in your opinion Soviet should pay even less for tech I suggest you move on.

I've never said anywhere SOV shoud pay less for tech. I'm just showing the full picture around your misleading claims.

Total soviet cost has already been reduced and these is little to justify further reduction, that was my point I am sticking with it.

It hasn't been reduced so far. You now have to pay more to get AT nades, 25 MP and 5 fuel specifically, while medics got 50 MP cheaper. Overeall T4 timing is thus delayed by 5 fuel, but T-70 is 5 fuel faster, while you also save one model worth of MP. Not the most impactful changes in terms of timings. The "free" molly is nice of course, but that doesn't make the teching cheaper, only more efficient.

I personally believe that the forced but cheap molly is in the end a good change that might compensate for the three veterancy nerfs on cons, as the throw speed vet will finally have some impact.