Profile of Brachiaraidos

Smoke grenades would like a word with you. The issue is that it's way to easy to negate smart play with HMG's using basic infantry whose counter is supposed to be HMG's. And if you seriously think it takes THAT LONG to kill an MG42 with the Soviet mortar or Sniper you haven't been using either.

But this is getting away from the topic at hand which is:

It is already silly enough that HMG's are stupid easy to snipe because of the received accuracy, meaning often times you don't even need to use grenades to kill an MG. Just walk up to it and kill it.

Oh my god 1000MP plus and some amount of MU can kill a fragile infantry support weapon that has no infantry to be supporting TRAVESTY.

Stop saying this like it's a problem.

MG's are not four/six man armies. (Especially not he maxim.)

An MG should and will be overwhelmed if it's all that's there. If suppressed infantry is focus firing it than all the time it spends taking shots and retreating all your infantry can beat up theirs. Suppression does not wear off for squads in combat either. It supported your infantry. It did its job. Its job is not to make all the dirty commies/yanks/krauts run home crying to mommy because it made loud noises at them when they tried to advance.

Smoke grenades are a way to be able to advance safely in any situation, they're not dedicated Mg counters. Again, smoke is obvious as feck, if you see smoke land in front of your MG and don't reposition you're a scrub.

Regardless, to correct your assertion: It's easy to force HMG's to have to be actually microed by the player controlling them. This is not a problem. Using an Mu ability to force an MG to have to move and set up again, buying yourself some down time with the MG fire to advance and find cover and generally fight the fight, is what MU abilities are supposed to be for. It's what they do.


Stop leaving your MG stationary come hell or high water, and you'll soon learn that grenades aren't all that bad. If you do lose an MG to one, it's your fault, and yours alone.

Unless it's a rifle nade, because the range on those. Pfff.

It's not appropriate for any unit to throw things while suppressed. Do you really think it's fair that infantry can negate infantry counters just by crawling up to something and throwing an explosive?

The OP out right states that it's bullshit for any unit to do it, except the issue is exacerbated with penals due to the power of the satchel charge.

It absolutely is appropriate for units to be able to throw while suppressed. Otherwise there are literally no ways to counter good MG42 play. Grenades are the counter to isolated MG's, and the reason they shouldn't operate alone.

MG-42 are not freaking 'infantry counters' at the same sodding price tag as a a basic infantry squad. They are Infantry. Support. Weapons. They support your army by slowing down and rendering units combat ineffective, with the ability to target several squads or a single high priority one.

If a unit crawls up through cover and you don't move your MG you are to blame because you played badly. Grenades dislodge MG's so other units can continue their push. That is how it is supposed to work and how it does work. The special case is the rifle grenade, because its range is so huge at vet 2 that the units in question very rarely have to take any fire (if get suppressed at all) to be able to punish an MG crew. But nothing's perfect.

As for 'the issue is exacerbated with penals'.... my god. Seriously? You let penals get to point sodding blank (their throw range is tiny), and then stood still so long they could throw the satchel, wait for the fuse to go down, and detonate, and still hand't moved? That is 100% a failing on the MG owner and nothing to do with a problem with suppression mechanics.


I've said it before and I've said it again. The state you are thinking of is called pinned. It exists. It stops nades being activated. It is 100% not appropriate for pinned to be the effect that MG's inflict on infantry in the first burst or two unless they're in red cover.

Yeah currently defensive stance is broken, but just because you can "de-setup" while in combat so you can easily dodge nades, bring back the impossibility to get up in combat outside of retreating and it'll be fine, a good risk/reward ability.

Oh god no. Don't lock it in place once fighting happens. That's what they did to hit the dirt, which is now literally useless.

I'll accept only setting up out of combat, but not being able to even sluggishly dodge a grenade is pretty much the end of any infantry ability when fighting Ost. Remember, rifle grenades have a range of approximately a thousand nautical miles.

Or less sarcastically, once your infantry spots one another to start firing, the grens are basically in rifle nade range already.

What else do you suggest to give as Vet 1, and what bonus would you give on Vet 5 instead (because it buffs said ability)?

I haven't really seen it being used yet in a really big gamechanging way, so I am not sure there is a problem with it anyway.

It could have Secure Territory

The camo on the Luchs doesn't much bother me. The bit where it's a problem is the Jagdpanther, because it makes trying to fight it with any dedicated AT a micro hell. Every time you lose the target your guns start aiming elsewhere.

If it was a alpha strike ability only, and didn't re-pop between every shot mid combat, I'd be fine with it. It's the way that being in combat just doesn't stop it that sort of bothers me.

The luchs, again, has to be close enough to be spotted to really be firing and has a long burst fire that stops it from having this problem.

Penal satchel charges are so painfully short range that, frankly, odds are they would be literally incapable of throwing it and not blowing their own face up. Satchel charge range is very very similar to the explosion radius, and throwing mechanics are janky.


Regardless. You didn't 'do it right'. Doing it right would have been suppressing the penals and using some other unit to kill them. Suppression tools are not the be all and end all of combat. Suppression should be counterable with muni abilities if the squads can get close enough. Stopping squads doing the one thing that can dislodge an MG will go a long way back to the miserable experience that was beta MG play. And unlike than, oorah is no longer free.

It's sort of depressing that the forums seem to be simultaneously clamouring for MG's to get massive suppression buffs and also for suppression to be utterly crippling.

The status you seem to be dreaming of is called pinned. It's already in the game. If a squad is crawling towards your MG, reposition the sodding thing, don't watch it catch a grenade and them come cry on the forums that the counter to a motionless MG is countering a motionless MG.

As for you losing your HQ; defend it better next time. It's a base tech building. It's comical that it's allowed to also be a damage dealing monster but if you put it outside your base you have to accept that people are going to be able to kill it with 145MU of building-counter-grenades. That's what satchels are ostensibly for, after all. Countering buildings. It just so happens that some buildings shoot back.
(As it happens, apparently a luchs arrived in time, so I guess you did do it right in the end, but really? You still came and complained on the forums, so I stand by my you're doing it wrong.)


As for the whole 'penals should only be flanking', ooh, you're right. I'll flank the building with 360 degree arc and a huge gun on it that also provides LoS. Geeneeus.

I also have no idea where you got your perception of what, exactly, Penals are supposed to be doing.. but flame-throwers, huge bombs, sprinting? How much more do you need to suggest that maybe penal battalions are assault units? How about the description in their unit profile that says 'they must succeed in their assaults or die trying?'