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I'd happily pay 320 for a 5th man. Doubly so if it came with a small reduction to their repair capacity, and slightly better combat stats (ideally some armour or rec. accuracy).
With the exception of paratroopers with Thompsons the USF are sorely lacking a decent assault unit.
Either that or finally swap vehicle crew Thompsons with a weapon rack for them. Make the 3rd rack open for any doctrinal weapon choice rather than just being M1919's |
The issue here is that each unit preforms shit in it's defined roll, so as far as your poll goes it means nothing because they are all terrible at their designated roll.
They are indeed all often considered terrible (with the possible exclusion of prOPstruppen). That's why they're on the list.
It's an opinion poll for what the community, as individuals, consider the most terrible.
If your opinion is all of the above for being exactly equally horrible, that's fair enough. |
Where do you read "completely biased"?
The point from Butcher, me, and others, being: if you create a poll, which already reflects your own view partly, and leaves out units based on your opinion, then it's biased.
Wouldn't you agree, you kinda already push your poll into a certain direction if you leave out units on purpose?
Only no?
As I've said. I created a poll listing just the units I see complained about on the forums as being completely useless, I disagree with a few on the list. The werfer was an oversight because I've not seen much about it on the forums for some time. Regardless of my opinion on it.
I can hardly put up a poll with every unit in the game, can I? |
Its hard for me to give any infantry a "least useful" status. Even the crappiest infantry is indispensable for capping territory
Partisans can't do that 
(Or can they? That may have been patched. I think it may have been? At the very least, for a long time they couldn't.) |
More options would be nice, is it a question of for faction or price. I dare say if OKW had partisans or su76 they would not be called useless for cost. And which gaming mode are we talking here, Panzerwerfer might be good but in 1v1 it will never be seen.
So if there is no restriction on mode then there needs to be alot more units up on that list.
Units as is. Considered across all modes.
Feel free to put up the missing units, though. So far all I've heard is endless harping on the PWerfer  |
Well, that doesn't mean they aren't any less useless. Nobody i know builds 2cm flak emplacements, except "for the lulz", still you rarely ever see a topic about them. I actually have never seen one yet.
As I have said repeatedly, this poll didn't include any buildable guns. Or abilities, for that matter, or traps or terrain. And I brought up the 2cm flack for sucking right there in the first post.
Partisans are "worse" due Soviet callin gameplay, they're not that utterly awful. VonIvan seems to like them a lot, and actually causes quite some havoc with them, so do others. While whenever i see someone build a Pwerfer, he can be lucky to gain 1 kill on average per barrage, if even.
Partisans can be a fun unit to troll around, PWerfer ends up in insta regret IMO and doesn't even offer any sort of "fun / troll bonus".
A bit less one sided / biased poll might be better - just my 2 cents...
We have different opinions on both the werfer and partisans, then. I'd very much coin them as being the other way around in terms of usefulness, but that is, in the end, just my opinion.
Regardless. A little less biased? I left off the panzerwerfer and now it's a completely biased poll? Good to know. |
By this logic you would need to remove nearly all poll options. I use half of these units quite regularly, and see people use the other half nicely, i guess it's just your problem that you can't use any of them
I never voiced my opinion on the majority of these units, to be honest. I just put up what, from what I see, are the most commonly picked up on units in the forums.
I would throw in Sturmtiger, 2cm Flak emplacements, PWerfer.
Maybe even stuff like light AT mines, or Urban Defense booby traps, etc...
I left out buildable things, but if you actually read my accompanying post to the poll three of those things I gave an honourable mention to.
Also, booby traps? Sure, they're a bit more expensive than a demo if you're soviets (or substantially less if OKW), but they're still a demo charge explosion style mine that aims itself.
And for the Pwerfer, it's not god awful like partisans. Sure, it's in a cost prohibitive tier and not as good as some of its contemporaries, but it's not terrible.
Admittedly I'd have probably put it in the poll at the time if it hadn't slipped my mind, but I'd still disagree with it being terrible. Much like I personally enjoy ostruppen. |
Well when people talk about German armour superiority (atleast when I do) it is usually on a 1:1 basis, in theory with a T-34/76 vs say, a Panther. The Panther would probably win, granted if there were no mechanical failures. In truth however the Germans were never able to exploit their tank advantage (fortunately) as 1 Panther cannot win against 10 T-34s.
Unfortunately (or fortunately, I suppose), the logic that makes people talk about German armour superiority on online forums is the same logic that the third reich kept pumping into their tank designs and helped cost them WWII.
But hey. Maybe the Maus would have looked cool parked on the steps of the Kremlin. Gotta be worth it, right? |
Having to be borderline suicidal with an expensive unit makes it a bad unit. This isn´t just my preference.
It seems to be arbitrary to claim the SU-76 is underpowered, yet the Panzerwerfer is meant to be used "in that specific way". Both units are crap. Yet only one is available in the poll.
The werfer is a more reliable indirect unit that moves faster, turns better, and doesn't have a fixed turret facing. It has a single alpha payload rather than a painfully long barrage. It has a smaller target size. They both miss completely at max range and have reasonably good scatter at mid.
Is it amazing? No. Is it substantially better than the SU-76 as a barrage tool? Yes.
Given that the SU can't shoot anything bigger than a car and penetrate, not much point judging it by any other metric. |
If we distinguish between poll and thread, the poll is not representative and thus useless.
Panzerwerfer is pathetic. Even when not considering the tech cost, it misses reliably. Some people like to argue that it´s meant to drive close. But if we are all honest that is a high risk at almost AT gun range. And it´s against the very definition of artillery.
If you don't want to use it in a way that makes it useful, that's your problem. It's different to what you want, not bad.
The infrared Halftrack of OKW isn´t even mentioned?
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