And this has stopped people from using it?
My rules of thumb when I look at strategy:
Find a thread saying "How do I deal with X" - I investigate further about using X
Find a thread saying "Y is OP" - I try Y
Find loads of threads saying "Z is ******* BS" - It goes in my loadout
Though the 152 isn't powerful right now, it's just squad wipes and people hate that.
Anything my opponent is going to hate, I'm gonna do. They are in my standard Sov loadout, but I don't use them more than one game in 10
It doesn't but it prevents them from feeling good about themselves even if they won by abuse.
Its the only time i flame,i never flame otherwise,ISU deserves it.Use isu,prepare to be flamed.If relic won't fix it,and nerf all counters save jagdtiger which ost can't use..yeah it gives me small satisfaction when they get angry if u call them ballless noob. |
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Thing is if panzergrenadier stays redundant and lmgs get a nerf affecting grens,then ostheer is automatically finished as far as infantry is concerned. |
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Its a broken cheatmode unit,and i enjoy flaming every isu user i come across as a cheater and a worthless noob.What else can u do when relic won't even acknowledge how shit this gamebreaker is for 6 months. |
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Need 5 men with same DPS or seperate AI pzgren from AT pzgren and buff AI one with armor or more reduced accuracy.
In current state its worth 300 mp and 35 reinforce max ,no more. |
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Nice,descriptions like a pro.I hate shock motor most. |
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The potential problem i see are shock troops,they are already very strong.On the up side ost can possibly do well if g43s become relevant AND BIG IF panzergrenadiers become relevant,even if one of these 2 don't happen and gren gets nerfed ost will break.
OKW is a problem,obersoldaten have already seen nerfs,but their dps still qualifies them as excellent elite infantry,if they lose that..they can have problems lategame.We can potentially see sturmpio spam,or more likely panzerfuslier g43 spam meta.
Whatever happens i just hope ostheer gets more diversified strategies,this current gren-tiger meta is killing the faction by its boredom.
Overall its in everyone's interest to see a well balanced game,but it should also be fun to play for all factions.I don't buy this players with an agenda thing. |
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Very vital patch this,gameplaystyle getting one dimensional due to lack of diverse strategies. |
I have a good solution I think.
Make the spotter a real spotter, meaning when the sniper loses one unit, he becomes only a spotter with a rifle just like cons have.
It keeps his ability to launch flaires and spot, but cant snipe.
In that way, its not a 2 snipersquad but a squad of a sniper and a spotter. RNG decides which one dies.
If the spotter dies, the sniper has little LOS and is more vulnerable.
Nice idea.I like it. |
you did not read the whole thread clearly. There is another part dealing with Call ins, but Relic announced as a whole they want to fix the call in tanks. It is true the Call in meta is a bit dull with players creating "gap filler" units to some better call in tank. How long have you played this game? Because for some time at the beginning, you know how US blobs are accused of A moving to winning? well I can tell you from personal experience it was way worse with Panzergrenedier blobs. I mentioned buffing Pgrens slightly because that is all they really need. They are not a unit to simply charge at your foe and get in short range, they have one of the highest DPS's at mid range as well. It is great to keep them near important weapons teams because they excel at pushing back flanking shorter ranged infantry such as conscripts, penals, ect.
Panzergrenadier blobs were finished the moment they introduced the infantry lethality patch,and they only could bully soviet stock infantry before that which were always crap,they never faced rifle blobs,if they had they would have been humbled.That along with accuracy and armor nerfs killed it.And look, don't babble on 'use them at mid-range in cover'..it has been noted a hundred times and is used when the unit is built that way..charging blindly-we DON'T do that...don't treat veteran ost players like they are noobs who don't know how to use their own units while u play ostheer far less frequently..if it was a skill issue it wouldn't exist for top players...if its a skill issue ..why aren't they being used in tourney?Ok i'm noob,most ost complainers are noobs..are the top tourney players noobs too? |
You do recognize that its AI was significantly buffed?
And do you recognize e8 costs just 10 more fuel? |
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