Profile of ilGetUSomDay

Mobile defense for the win!

such a fun commander and brings a lot of versatility to the table.

my other non meta commander is Windustry

Can you please read my post again, where are you keeping your at guns? sleeping in base? if you know there's a light vehicle going around you'll keep your AT guns near the majority of your units over where major engagments are about to happen, sure the stug-E could be somewhere else harassing, but since it can't cap you don't lose map control from it, and the ost can't really win engagments at that stage of the game without using it so it that's the case it's a victory for you.



Yeah, I guess AT guns aren't an hard counter to vehicle especially light vehicle right? I suppose we should stop making AT guns because they do absolutely nothing to stop vehicles from destroying your infantry right?

Seriouly please, an AT gun can't chase and kill a vehicle, especially a light one, this is absolutely true (although there cases where it can) but it's also the best deterrent in game to ALL vehicles, with the exception of heavy tanks, in which case though, multiple AT guns will still do their job flawlessy, that said, the stug-E isn't a T70 or a vehicle with a turrent, it can't stafe kite an AT gun so yes, the Stug-e effectivness is highly diminished by an effective usage of AT gun(s), like I said, you should always have 1 covering your major engagments, 2 at a 6cp stage of the game should be enough to cover all the map unless you aren't splitting your troops in more than 3 groups (where a group is rappresented by 3 inf units capping different sectors of a zone and a zone is defined by north/center/south).


See above, I'll try to get some replays if I get any good game, but usually my games as allies end in less than 20 minutes since that if you play propely with allies you can't lose.

Yes it can deter, and if its in the right spot. YOu do realize at 6cp is when the Ostheer players hit critical mass of lmg grens and can now cost effectively trade with rifles and wipe the floor with anything else that isnt a shock or Guards squad. At this mid stage of the game is when the tables turn on the Allies and is why so many people even at the high level die to a double stug E base rape. A pivotal moment in the game pushed way over the edge by double stug E's, and just having a single one really puts the allies player on the back foot.

The stug E is an assault gun, but by having two Zis on the field you have dumped quite a bit into just detering it which means your position can get overrun. This is when the Stug E plays clean up or counter harrass devestating any units no longer covered by the AT gun. My point above was that an AT gun is not the end all which means the Stug E can easily continue reaping the manpower bleed unless they throw it away carelessly. The dual nature of its vet ability keeps it in game even longer even when other thanks are out.

So far I haven't had a single problem with it, and usually, even at pro level, they have difficulty dealing with it because they go full retard with con-spam into call ins or rifle spam into m20 into major, so they get hard countered by the only decent light tank that ost has and they put 0 effort in trying to counter it.

So in other words they give it like a 5-10 min opening to cause damage while beign uncountered of course it will eventually wipe something while being uncontested, I always have a zis or another hard AT ready at hand not just AT nades and it never gave me any trouble.

Thats cute, go watch SCC or SCK, or recent replays with Ciez. these high level players dont go brain dead. Maybe your opponents did if you so effortlessly counter it with one Zis.

As for the "rifle spam" into M20, its the most reliable way to keep an edge over the Ostheer because captain tier is pretty lack luster in terms of field presence.

You seem to have a very narrow view.....

Yeah hooray for meta callin. You know i predicted that nerfing the obers would eb the final nail in the coffer for the okw. They have no advantages at all any longer and still crippled by the fuel and ammo penalty. way to go relic.

You predicted the lynch pin of OKW being op severely hurting players!

While it is certainly true that OKW are struggling the most (specifically in the Soviet vs OKW match up) they are no way utterly dead.

as for the tournament scene, yes they dropped off. Highly competitive people do any thing and everything to try to win.Even if factions were perfectly balanced, some view would say one of them is better and there would still be a majority of tournament players using that faction.

its pretty common knowledge at this point that the Stug E over preforms by quite a margin after the cover rework. I would like to suggest its anti infantry capabilities can go relatively un-touched but the major source of OP comes from its veterancy.

Target weak point gained at vet one can be used in both a defensive and offensive nature. The time it arrives it gives the Ostheer player huge anti infantry gains as well as soft anti tank. When it becomes Vet one it gains huge utility with its stun rounds. Up until this point the Stug E while powerful is still pretty counter-able.

At vet one it can escape using target weak point on other light vehicles that are used to counter it. The Stug E can also secure armor kills with the vet ability. USF relies on light vehicles to stay on top in the mid game, Soviets do not as much so it is less of an issue there. However all armor suffers from this light howi assault gun being able to stun tanks. It is very frustrating to kill as USF because even if you manage to get in close or catch it, the stun round will lock the Sherman down while the Stug E attempts to escape and more AT is brought up. If you are lucky enough, it can also stun heavier armored vehicles so that even they are left in a dicey situation.

So my point is that a small howitzer is stunning tanks and participating in fights it should not be able to with large consequences making the Stug E not only super cost effective against infantry but also utility against tanks.

I suggest that its vet ability be replaced with smokes. The only commander with the Stug E does not have access so there would be no overlap. Relic recently has shown if there is enough banter against something they are willing to change a vet ability (with the sniper sprint) So it is possible this change could happen

Here are some common target weak point chances:

pen value of Stug E is 60, penetration of target weak point = 2*60 = 120

T34/76
Front : 120/150 = 80%
Rear : 100%

T34/85
Front : 120/160 = 75%
Rear : 100%

IS-2
Front : 120/375 = 32%
Rear : 120/200 = 60%

Regular Sherman
Front : 120/160 = 75%
Rear : 100%

Easy 8
Front : 120/215 55%
Rear : 100%

anything lighter always gets stunned. As you can see target weak point is only a gamble from the front on the heaviest of tanks. Clearly the TWP is a prevalent ability through out the course of the game