Sherman firefly tweak

Jump back to quoted post15 Oct 2019, 16:02 PMrqd

You think firefly is fine then? Without tulips firefly imo is worse than cheaper su-85 in terms of dps, speed and acceleraion.

Jump back to quoted post15 Oct 2019, 18:08 PMStug life

does the su 85 have :

rotating turrets

tulips

tank commander

160 frontal armor

200 damage

access to war speed

???

Jump back to quoted post16 Oct 2019, 02:09 AMrqd

I will assume that the extra price of firefly is for getting access to tank commander and tulip upgrade, still you need to pay muni for them.

Jump back to quoted post15 Oct 2019, 16:49 PMblvckdream

???

Firefly far pen 210

KT armour 375
Tiger 300
OKW P4 238
Panther 260 and 286 at vet 2
JT/Ele 400/450
Brummbär 240 and 288 after vet 2
etc

Jump back to quoted post16 Oct 2019, 02:09 AMrqd

Su-85 has focused sight, better speed & acceleration, shorter reload time and smaller target size.

Firefly turret rotation rate is bad, worse than spearhead KT(wtf) and still suffers from flanking.

I will assume that the extra price of firefly is for getting access to tank commander and tulip upgrade, still you need to pay muni for them.

Jump back to quoted post16 Oct 2019, 13:11 PMblvckdream

What you forget is that SU85 also has better penetration which is weird because the Firefly should have the better gun considering price and mobility.

Jump back to quoted post16 Oct 2019, 13:35 PMSkysTheLimit

I get the price point, but what do you mean about mobility? Su85 and firefly are both pretty slow, but FF at least has turret

It also has more damage per shot and that improves with vet, so its gun is better in some sense anyway

Jump back to quoted post16 Oct 2019, 13:43 PMblvckdream

More damage per shot but less damage overall due to super bad reload. SU 85 (5.7/2.1 and 6.8/2.5 with vet) is also faster than FF (5.3/1.6 and 1.8 with vet). Again FF receives no significant speed buff with vet, same as penetration. I wonder why?

And saying SU85 is slow is wrong, it has more top speed than Jackson at vet 3. Jackson is much faster without vet but gets no vet speed bonus so the SU85 ends up faster in the end.

Jump back to quoted post16 Oct 2019, 13:43 PMblvckdream

More damage per shot but less damage overall due to super bad reload. SU 85 (5.7/2.1 and 6.8/2.5 with vet) is also faster than FF (5.3/1.6 and 1.8 with vet). Again FF receives no significant speed buff with vet, same as penetration. I wonder why?

Jump back to quoted post16 Oct 2019, 13:43 PMblvckdream

And saying SU85 is slow is wrong, it has more top speed than Jackson at vet 3. Jackson is much faster without vet but gets no vet speed bonus so the SU85 ends up faster in the end.