Wehr weak penetration

Jump back to quoted post17 Oct 2019, 01:21 AMdistrofio

This thing called flanking? No idea what that about.

Jump back to quoted post17 Oct 2019, 01:21 AMdistrofio

It seems you are forgetting a little tiny itti bitty detail...

TD BEATS ANY OTHER TANK, PANTHERS ARE ALSO TDs...

Therefore, if "heavy tank destroyers" are beating panther, why isnt the other way around? If both are by definition, tank destroyers.
But to make matters worse, those called "heavy tank destroyers" are also by performance "medium tank destroyers"
Panthers vs allied premium mediums, get outmatched by cost effectiveness, not on a dumb idle fight maybe, but on one involving real and medium skilled players, panthers often get outnumbered or outranged

Jump back to quoted post17 Oct 2019, 02:09 AMgbem

Yes thats why the panther also has one of the best mobility stats ingame...

3. The panther also gets amazing mobility on top of its high armor and hp... use it

Jump back to quoted post17 Oct 2019, 07:13 AMSerrith

The panther has fine mobility but it really isnt this speed demon you are making it out to be. Stock its slower than comet valentine cromwell and m10, and its speed and acceleration only marginally exceed that of most other allied mediums.

Jump back to quoted post17 Oct 2019, 07:52 AMMr. Someguy

B l i t z

Jump back to quoted post17 Oct 2019, 07:13 AMSerrith

I dont really see the OPs point. The pak 40 is tied for the best penetration on a non doc at gun. The stug sits at a perfect middle ground penetration wise between the cheaper su76 or m10 and the more expensive su85 and Jacksons. I dont see how you can criticize the Panthers excellent penetration. The panzer 4 is the only unit in ostheer roster that has penetration that is SLIGHTLY below average for cost, but it exchanges it for armor.

Jump back to quoted post16 Oct 2019, 14:45 PMmrgame2

I cite another example that a Cromwell can hit Elefant with more pain than a P4 can hit a Croc.

Jump back to quoted post17 Oct 2019, 07:13 AMSerrith

The panther has fine mobility but it really isnt this speed demon you are making it out to be. Stock its slower than comet valentine cromwell and m10, and its speed and acceleration only marginally exceed that of most other allied mediums.

With vet most(non heavy) allied tanks end up substantially faster than the panther including the su85(!), with exception of the su76, the jackson, the firefly and the centaur.

Jump back to quoted post17 Oct 2019, 07:52 AMMr. Someguy

B l i t z

Jump back to quoted post17 Oct 2019, 10:58 AMgbem

though it isnt the fastest tank ingame it is definitely up there as one of the fastest non light tanks ingame... the panther is simply a tank with
1. the penetration of an allied heavy tank destroyer
2. the HP pool of a heavy
3. the speed of a medium

to deny all of the panther`s advantages and ask for EVEN MORE buffs is just further evidence of a l2p issue

Jump back to quoted post17 Oct 2019, 13:14 PMgbem

the panther doesnt need any tweaks imo... the balance between allied mediums and TDs and axis mediums and TDs are far more balanced than it was before... the only vehicles id take a look at are the StuG (its veterancy may need tweaks since TWP kinda sucks) the T-34 (ram sucks) and the JP4 (lago`s discussion covers this)

Jump back to quoted post17 Oct 2019, 13:45 PMSerrith

I think an argument could be made for the Panthers veterancy which is somewhat lackluster after the HP was shifted to being stock and the armor was nerfed resulting in a lower overall increase at vet 2. Perhaps a +10% top speed bonus at vet 2 or a slightly bigger armor increase.


I digress, if there is an issue with Wehr anti vehicle capabilities it cant be found in the penetration values of their units.

Jump back to quoted post17 Oct 2019, 13:50 PMVipper

Generally I would try replacing x % armor bonuses with + armor since the low rear armor values of vehicles make the bonus almost useless for half the vehicle.

Jump back to quoted post17 Oct 2019, 14:15 PMmrgame2

Tiger pen is not excellent too....i mean worse than IS2?

Jump back to quoted post17 Oct 2019, 14:15 PMmrgame2

I think Panther needs a pen buff. So does Stug so does P4.

Jump back to quoted post17 Oct 2019, 14:21 PMSerrith

The only vehicle here which has mediocre penetration is the panzer 4 and the reason for this is because of its armor compared to other tanks of similar cost.