The ressource mathematics of Allied factions

Jump back to quoted post14 Oct 2019, 18:35 PMHon3ynuts

I think soviet tech structures just cost an absurd amount of manpower for the way the game is right now considering they take an engineer be in base and build them.

Particularly t1/2. Building a 160 manpower structure is quite a lot when it doesn't give you anything better than the 80 mp ost barracks or the 100 mp t2. Building it minute 1 is killer on field presence.

That said soviets seem strong to me lategame if you can get past the expensive midgame with the good doctrinal tanks and cost effective infantry.

Notes on the Costs- I think you could add healing in there for soviets and USF since it is there for brits. I would take out the moltov as more than half of players skip it and nobody else has nades.You also don't have an RE in there, and I don't know if you added the battalion upgrade for a stewart unlock since its not listed.

Jump back to quoted post14 Oct 2019, 18:41 PMBlueKnight

Mollies and AT nades for cons sadly boost the cost a lot and T70 comes late due to its performance, I believe this is why the cost is elevated for SOV. Can you do the same comparison for OST and OKW? I would like to see how they match.

Jump back to quoted post14 Oct 2019, 18:45 PMGrumpy

Is that using the new price of the Captain and Lt? Also, shouldn't you add in the cost of grenades and possibly weapon racks for USF also?

The Captain and LT still seem too cheap in terms of manpower and too expensive in terms of fuel. I haven't played 1v1's in years so maybe there is a reason for the prices being the way they are.

Cons seem overpriced, especially when cons have to buy both types of grenades and pay a muni cost for each squad to go to 7 models. The Maxim would need a buff to its arc and suppression to be worth 260. That said, I'm not sure how they could change these without making the T70 arrive earlier.

Jump back to quoted post14 Oct 2019, 18:35 PMHon3ynuts

I think soviet tech structures just cost an absurd amount of manpower

Jump back to quoted post14 Oct 2019, 20:20 PMStug life

while i do agree in a mp reduction in any way for soviet that does not buff penal (free cons squad start of the game, Molotov free after tier 1 or 2 and tier 3 cost 10 more fuel,etc)

it's a bit unfair to show it like this as soviet need only 90 fuel then to tech for tanks, while all the other faction pay 120 + fuel

Jump back to quoted post14 Oct 2019, 21:06 PMgbem

Its 85 (t3) + 15 (t2) + 15 (at nade) + 10 (molly) = 125 if you go through the T2 route...

Okw takes much less fuel than that to get mechanized BGHQ AND gets free snares and incendiary with tech.... Not to mention the MP cost involving mollys and at nades

This is also on top of having worse line infantry aswell...

When compared to ost well the T70 comes earlier than the P4... but it actually takes around the same amount of fuel to get a T-34-76 and a panzer 4... which is completely ridiculous

Likewise LMG grens come significantly earlier than 7 man cons... which is another ridiculous handicap

Jump back to quoted post14 Oct 2019, 21:25 PMthedarkarmadillo

The biggest issue with the Soviet is you have SUCH a slow start. 160mp to start building units is nuts when your alternatives are a pair of the absolute least effecient units in the game as far as fighting goes (and in the case of CE also utility) Ost pays 80mp for their t1 and the same price for their mgs and core infantry AND have a versatile engineer squad that can scout, set up defenses AND fight in a supportive role (they are not shock troops, but if they get beside any Soviet core unit you will feel it)

You literally pay more and get less for the Soviet early game and you can feel it.

Jump back to quoted post14 Oct 2019, 21:25 PMStug life

likewise the p3 comes much earlier than the t 34.... wait a minute

Jump back to quoted post14 Oct 2019, 21:25 PMStug life

btw no it's not free snare, okw pays around 275 fuel for all of its upgrades, su pays around 240fu , u can turn around that argument simply saying to get to tanks with medic and LT like soviet u pay much more fu

Significantly ? tier 1 +3 + side tech or wait for tier 4 vs battle phase 2, the 7th man is much better than lmg in the current state, if u divide it then u can play around with it

Jump back to quoted post14 Oct 2019, 21:25 PMStug life

btw i love u somehow turned this around either tier 2 or maxim and vs okw and osther when we were all talking about su ukf and usf, maybe stop deraling hard ?

Jump back to quoted post14 Oct 2019, 22:06 PMStug life

my point was the lack of LT for ost and that's why it come at the smae time

Jump back to quoted post14 Oct 2019, 22:06 PMStug life

yes i was counting tier 1 too, if u want to get medics and mortar like SU tier 2 +3

Jump back to quoted post14 Oct 2019, 22:06 PMStug life

u keep derailing with no reason, okw and ost where non factor but u can't keep ur hate boner for ost and okw in check


how about u give a constructive solution for once ?

Jump back to quoted post14 Oct 2019, 20:20 PMStug life

while i do agree in a mp reduction in any way for soviet that does not buff penal