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They're also all doc-locked and significantly more expensive units, too; of course they're going to be more powerful. It doesn't excuse the churchill sitting far above the curve.
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Go read up on patch notes.
Flamer was nerfed so hard in the past that main gun had to have its damage buffed to keep it at current cost.
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I already know that, what I ment was, nerf the main gun even further, if people love their damage sponge armor so much, let's balance it in indirect ways
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They're also all doc-locked and significantly more expensive units, too; of course they're going to be more powerful. It doesn't excuse the churchill sitting far above the curve.
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And we are talking about the churchill crocodile, aren't we ? As far as i know, it is doctrinal and cost 230 fuel.
If you want to bring the normal churchill in the argument then dont forget thet KT is stock, too, so the "They're also all doc-locked" need a correction.
LOL Panthers and King Tigers aren't "doc locked"
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Both fair points, not sure how I missed the KT. Regardless, all other heavies had their rear-armor nerfed a while back to at most 140.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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Both fair points, not sure how I missed the KT. Regardless, all other heavies had their rear-armor nerfed a while back to at most 140.
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As said, all other heavy have significant better gun and front armor, sure they are more expensive and some are doctrinal but they have their own strong to justify the cost an position (stock or doc), so does the chill.
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sure they are more expensive
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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Not really, croc cost is in line with tiger, is-2 and pershing.
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It is literally unbreakable. Normal churchills hp is well justified with a non-potent gun that opens the way of PaKs and PGrens.
For croc. good luck with your PGrens and PaKs.
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If you are using pak and pgren to counter croc then you do it seriously wrong, man. I dont use PIAT sapper to counter hettez for the same reason.
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I am not asking for an overnerf for a unit. Just make it less no brainer and punishing when you give your rear to enemy (Spoiler alert : Just like any other heavy tank)
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Well that is the point. You need more firepower to melt that HP down. It is simply unfair if it will take me 2 panthers to take down a tank. (Which also can be easily countered by brit at guns).
So in a realistic scenario you have a croc + 2 at guns and plenty of tommies and i got 2 panthers 1 pak 2 pgrens and some grens. You run onto me with your croc, rape my infantry or atg. Then i try to hunt you with panthers. Now i have to dive a 1000+ HP tank with 2 panthers which will be slammed by atgs.
I am not asking for an overnerf for a unit. Just make it less no brainer and punishing when you give your rear to enemy (Spoiler alert : Just like any other heavy tank)
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Both fair points, not sure how I missed the KT. Regardless, all other heavies had their rear-armor nerfed a while back to at most 140.
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Well that is the point. You need more firepower to melt that HP down. It is simply unfair if it will take me 2 panthers to take down a tank. (Which also can be easily countered by brit at guns).
So in a realistic scenario you have a croc + 2 at guns and plenty of tommies and i got 2 panthers 1 pak 2 pgrens and some grens. You run onto me with your croc, rape my infantry or atg. Then i try to hunt you with panthers. Now i have to dive a 1000+ HP tank with 2 panthers which will be slammed by atgs.
I am not asking for an overnerf for a unit. Just make it less no brainer and punishing when you give your rear to enemy (Spoiler alert : Just like any other heavy tank)
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It's normalization, not a nerf random nerf. The June 21st 2016 patch had this specific section:
For some reason the Churchill was missed, and still sits at 180 rear armor - significantly higher than any other heavy, both in terms of raw value, and in terms of front:rear armor ratio.
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Well axis armor and handheld at also has more pen so other allied armor is not a problem but croc can counter all with ease thats why it needs a nerf not others.
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