Vetted 7 man conscripts vs vetted lmg grens..

Jump back to quoted post2 Oct 2019, 20:37 PMspajn

Tech costs has nothing to do with MP drain from replacements when talking about army composition. Ostheers inablity to rely on a mainline infantry makes them into a house of cards faction... if you doing well you are doing really well but one good flank or lucky grenade/mortar can wreck your army so fast no other faction can compare.

Jump back to quoted post2 Oct 2019, 21:06 PMJibberJabberJobber

Let me put it another way: I predict USF's early game will get downtuned a bit next patch. Adding cheaper Grenadier reinforcement on top of that would likely cause imbalance in favor of Ostheer.

Against Soviets the Grenadier bleed becomes quite apparent in the mid/late game, but that's rather because the 7 men upgrade makes Conscripts too efficient IMO (lower reinforcement on top of 30-35% more dps and already good veterancy). It's a seperate issue.

Just don't rely too much on Grenadiers and you should be fine, even this patch. Watch players like Jove as an example. He regularly gets 2 Panzergrenadiers to back up his Grenadier builds and makes excellent use of them.

Jump back to quoted post2 Oct 2019, 21:10 PMachpawel

Brave ost players will survive everthing that is thrown at them.

Jump back to quoted post2 Oct 2019, 21:19 PMJibberJabberJobber

Agreed, Ostheer can adapt and survive to almost any meta. Their flexibility is what makes them my favorite faction.

Jump back to quoted post2 Oct 2019, 19:29 PMgbem

If conscripts are support... and maxims are support aswell... then what the hell are they supporting in a T2 core build?

Jump back to quoted post2 Oct 2019, 21:27 PMachpawel

I'm afraid though that because of all those allied only focused players soon allies may have noone to play against.

Jump back to quoted post3 Oct 2019, 09:38 AMgbem

The conscript/grenadier balance is fine... what makes ost difficult is the lack of a "penal battalion" analog that allows it to crutch against rifles... the real solution here isnt to buff grens but to re nerf rifles and penals

Jump back to quoted post3 Oct 2019, 09:38 AMgbem

The conscript/grenadier balance is fine... what makes ost difficult is the lack of a "penal battalion" analog that allows it to crutch against rifles... the real solution here isnt to buff grens but to re nerf rifles and penals

Jump back to quoted post3 Oct 2019, 11:04 AMKatitof

You do that and then again OKW will stomp these two.
The solution isn't to buff or nerf anything, the solution, for ost, is to stop pretending they are OKW and use team weapons and/or snipers.

Jump back to quoted post3 Oct 2019, 09:53 AMgbem

ohh no they lose potency when upgraded with the PTRS... but they have the meme ability to rape elefants tigers jagdtigers and king tigers really quickly when paired with a T-34...

Jump back to quoted post3 Oct 2019, 09:38 AMgbem

The conscript/grenadier balance is fine... what makes ost difficult is the lack of a "penal battalion" analog that allows it to crutch against rifles... the real solution here isnt to buff grens but to re nerf rifles and penals

Jump back to quoted post3 Oct 2019, 13:21 PMT.R. Stormjäger

Only way a penal nerf is acceptable is if it’s accompanied by a significant conscript buff.

Jump back to quoted post3 Oct 2019, 13:21 PMT.R. Stormjäger

Only way a penal nerf is acceptable is if it’s accompanied by a significant conscript buff.

Jump back to quoted post3 Oct 2019, 14:45 PMJilet

Actually it can be accomplished by buffing maxim but adjusting its set/pack times like other mgs.

Jump back to quoted post3 Oct 2019, 15:06 PMVipper

Not really the only thing needed is VG's ST44 redesign/nerf or replacement with the MP-40.

Jump back to quoted post3 Oct 2019, 15:41 PMT.R. Stormjäger

No thanks, after the rifles buff there is no excuse for not buffing conscripts in case of a penals nerf, unless the maxim buff makes it into an mg42.

Jump back to quoted post3 Oct 2019, 15:45 PMJilet

Then they need the merge go away. What is holding cons back in combat is their ability to merge and save other squads on the field. As absurd as it sounds it can be one of the best abilities in the game.

Jump back to quoted post3 Oct 2019, 15:52 PMT.R. Stormjäger

I’d trade merge for the 30% rate of fire from 7 man cons to be at vet 0 for stock cons, as well as merge of molotov and at nade sidetech for the cost of 1.

Jump back to quoted post3 Oct 2019, 14:45 PMJilet

Actually it can be accomplished by buffing maxim but adjusting its set/pack times like other mgs.

Jump back to quoted post3 Oct 2019, 16:04 PMSkysTheLimit

It's setup time is actually the same as MG42/34/Vickers. Only the pack up time is faster, so already halfway there