Pak40 death loop buff?
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How about pak40 for wehrboo? It is the only 60 range AT, nondoc. I believe it has slowest reposition times and can be hit by various allies nondoc arty units. Allies stronger flanking infantry is more available. It has to supplement against heavy allies armor or better light tanks.
Something like shermans are much better to decrew ATG than P4.
Can we look at helping pak40 here?
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Besides P4 have poor pen
Stug is fixed gun at 50 range.
So pak40 needs more work than allies ATG.
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All at guns have deathloop, so I don't see why pak40 needs special treatment for having it.
Well it's an Axis unit, they always deserve special treatment.
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Mainly is because it is wehr only nondoc 60 range unit.
Besides P4 have poor pen
Stug is fixed gun at 50 range.
So pak40 needs more work than allies ATG.
Well, it's true that Wehrmacht doesn't have a 60 range TD, and personally, I would prefer that over the panther, the stug and panther cover all fronts of the vehicular AT department, and while there are vehicles like the m4 Sherman, which can decrew at guns better than most Wehrmacht vehicles(though brummbar and ostwind are quite good), those vehicles lack AT power, so naturally, they are meant to be countered with tanks, rather than AT guns.
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ISU and KV-2 can be troublesome, then you will need elephant.
If pak is killed by cqc, it just means you have played badly.
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Well it's an Axis unit, they always deserve special treatment.
I don't think all axis units get special treatment, and it's not like allied units don't have any special traits.
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Pak40 is already considered the most capable AT gun. It shouldn't be made any more durable than what it currently is, especially if other AT guns don't receive a similar buff.
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I don't think getting cqc decrew is fully doing wrong. consider allies are better cqc, much better than Wehr for sure. The amount of decrew chances against it is higher than others ATG.
Then you consider the vet bonus, i believe pak40 got the least. Allies got good vet bonus because at that time, they need to deal with axis heavy. Today, tide has turned against wehr or at least they are not scaling with the changes.
Pak40 is slowest reposition, has got the most counters, has lowest vet bonus and has to supplement wehr weak doc armor against allies armor
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Pak40 is slowest reposition, has got the most counters, has lowest vet bonus and has to supplement wehr weak doc armor against TD.
Its not, the Zis gun is by far the slowest at gun re-positioning wise. Im also pretty sure the pak 40 and 6 pdr are stats wise basically the same. The only AT gun that outperforms the Pak40 is the USF 57mm.
Also any at gun is countered if you can't use it properly. Also not sure how it has the most counters, every faction in the game has nondoc units that counter static at guns or positions.
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The only that changed for the pak40 is that you can skip t2 now. Because of pgrens and ostwind buffs.
This is trolling on duracell batteries or some one with a terminal case of axis always always up.
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Pak40 is setup as a traditional AT gun. And it is marginally weak for its purpose against current units, for the points i brought up.
Having a little help in deathloop, like better RA vet, will go a longer way. I know all AT have death loop, its pak40 that struggle most with it. Zis has 6 man help already.
I also like suggestions that make it 65 range on vet.
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Sure, You can have "rapid moving" from 6pdr's vet 1, in exchange for the stun shoot. But you sure will then make an other thread about 6pdr op stun shoot.
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Mainly is because it is wehr only nondoc 60 range unit.
Besides P4 have poor pen
Stug is fixed gun at 50 range.
So pak40 needs more work than allies ATG.
If its 60 range, why do you keep in within 30 range of anything that isn't yours?
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I mean, Maxim has deathloop while retreating, and no AT guns beside pupchen have retreat ability.
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If its 60 range, why do you keep in within 30 range of anything that isn't yours?
Because pak40 is not a vehicle. Your mentioned applies more to vehicle to benefit from 60 range imo.
Pak40 gets death loop on backing off.
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Because pak40 is not a vehicle. Your mentioned applies more to vehicle to benefit from 60 range imo.
Pak40 gets death loop on backing off.
PaK40 does not have retreat function, therefore it does not have any deathloop.
Anything above that is just pointless honking.
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