Maxim Overperforming

Jump back to quoted post17 Sep 2019, 05:56 AMullumulu

to be honest: on maps with lanes it does it job very well and cut of okw as faction completely until they get luchs or some ISGs.

a smart maxim player can you bring to switch the side and he hold alone a fuel, muni and vp point. until you have the units to deal with mg as OKW

but this isnt an overperforming maxim reason...its the OKW weakness against early mg spam.

Jump back to quoted post17 Sep 2019, 06:06 AMGI John 412

OKW does have pretty good doctrinal tools to beat HMGs in the early game. The Fiersturm doctrine MP40 Volks can use their Model 24 smoke grenades to push through an MG’s arc pretty easily.

OKW may not have good vanilla counters to early MGs, but it’s got some good doctrinal ones. Plus MP40 volks are fun and remind me of the vCoH volks that could get MP40s that no one ever used. Lol

Jump back to quoted post16 Sep 2019, 23:28 PMthedarkarmadillo

You seem to be having a really hard time understanding this... Reducing the crew number on the maxim will only make death loop worse.

Jump back to quoted post17 Sep 2019, 02:42 AMmrgame2

Anyway i never said buff maxim is op or mg42 is up
What i want to remind is some love can be given to mg42 mid-late game performance, simply since allies infantry blob scales beyond mg42 intention. Maxim got free love now, when is mg42?

Jump back to quoted post17 Sep 2019, 08:46 AMgbem

the maxim is THE WORST mg ingame... and even with the anti blob buff it is still THE WORST mg ingame... which by the way ostheer already had massive buffs to the faction with the 20% DR for grens at vet 3... lets see how the change affects ost performance first before deciding there...

and in any case if anything in ostheer needs a buff it is most definitely NOT the MG-42

Jump back to quoted post16 Sep 2019, 23:28 PMthedarkarmadillo

You seem to be having a really hard time understanding this... Reducing the crew number on the maxim will only make death loop worse. You can try it with every combo of numbers less than now and the deathloop won't be fixed, oh quite the opposite! It will be worse! 5 models is 1 less model to die before being wiped, 1 less model to share damage meaning more concentrated DPS meaning more likely TO START a deathloop.

The only way I could see a man reduction is if somehow the gunner alone can have a damage reduction so that they won't be dropped constantly

It was less of an issue I'd like to add before flame nade throwing, assault rifle volks were added to the fold...

Jump back to quoted post17 Sep 2019, 14:55 PMmrgame2

just make maxim mg34 clone. boring if that is what you want.
i dont know, i seen maxim plays really effective. eh just dont use it like axis mg...

Jump back to quoted post17 Sep 2019, 09:11 AMJibberJabberJobber

Well it makes them worse against MG's, because it's RA and not health damage that affects suppression taken afaik

Jump back to quoted post17 Sep 2019, 18:34 PMMr Carmine

Then they should not have tried to make it like an axis mg without ap rounds.

The old maxim was mobile fast. But lacking in supression if any. But was suposed to be about dps. Its arc however so small inf could walk out of it with no model dropping.
It just added dps to cons wich was very very poor. And the maxim needed baby sitting.

Then they added supression. This combined with its mobility made it broken op. Its golden days. Replacing inf completly. And keeping new volks in check.

Now its mobility is severely nerfed and people have trauma,s that it could surpress.
If it could supress it wont be spammed imo, its mobility was gutted.

Jump back to quoted post17 Sep 2019, 18:49 PMSander93

Suppression is determined only by the weapon's suppression per bullet and its ROF. Basically it's just (ROF at range X * suppression per bullet). It needs to reach the threshold of 0.2, at which squad in the open becomes suppressed.

Additionally light and heavy cover give suppression resistance (I believe technically the amount of suppression required goes up). Only some abilities (Fire Up!) or bulletins (Volks -10% received suppression) can further influence suppression.

A squad's target size (/RA) does not matter, nor does the accuracy of the weapon.

Jump back to quoted post17 Sep 2019, 19:38 PMthedarkarmadillo

Maxim has replaced infantry since its inception because at no point in the game have cons really beeen in a position that it was worth getting them and/over a maxim when you just paid 160mp to unlock the maxim

But of an overhaul here but hear me out:
Cons become passively cheaper once a building is built but t1 and 2 become a 20mp more expensive

T1 makes cons a bit cheaper to reinforce to promote using them to supplement penals. Penals are in exchange made slightly more expensive per man

T2 gives cons a cover bonus that gives a bonus against suppressed units so that they might be used in conjunction with the maxim as dps. Maxim can be adjusted to be less independent

Jump back to quoted post18 Sep 2019, 00:19 AMcochosgo

Maxim is fine. If you have troubles as okw get a kubel to get sight. The thing still needs to engage from as much distance as posible to guarantee effective supression. Which is fine by me. Its not a unit that can do its work on its own.

Its no longer a useless mg, and its ability, if used with vision and anticipation its a good tool.

Jump back to quoted post18 Sep 2019, 11:48 AMgbem

What i love most about maxim spammers is the free salvage... each maxim he makes means +5 fuel for me[/quote its literally worth more as scrap than it is as an mg....


The 6 man squad needs to be treated as a Soviet bonus (and reflected in price not performance) so that it is still possible to use as a non Soviet faction should you get the chance to cap one.