USA September patch discussion

Jump back to quoted post9 Sep 2019, 18:46 PMEsxile

I'm disappointed that nobody followed up on VonIvan's comment on early riflemen stat. Also to put in line with his comment on Gren G43 spam capacity for the next patch on the Ostheer topic.
Those 2 comments are going against the story balance team is trying to sell us at the moment.

Jump back to quoted post9 Sep 2019, 18:48 PMStug life

do u really think Lelic gains something from lying to u

Jump back to quoted post9 Sep 2019, 18:46 PMEsxile

I'm disappointed that nobody followed up on VonIvan's comment on early riflemen stat. Also to put in line with his comment on Gren G43 spam capacity for the next patch on the Ostheer topic.
Those 2 comments are going against the story balance team is trying to sell us at the moment.

Jump back to quoted post9 Sep 2019, 18:55 PMEsxile

Nice try but balance team =/= Relic.

Jump back to quoted post4 Sep 2019, 22:31 PMAndy_RE

Not going to get too involved in this, but a couple of things.




Ultimately we don't just rely on tournament results or top player opinions. While important, they are just some of the indicators that inform balance.

Currently, I have four undisputable top ten players all telling me that USF is going to be OP in the upcoming patch, after playing numerous competitive mod preview games against each other.

Conversely, I currently have zero top players telling me that the Stuka is OP or unfair in its current tier, and don't recall any directly asking me for Stuka nerfs post the last 2v2 tourney.

As a tangential point, the balance team probably won't act on this pro player feedback right now, but suspects it to be correct. If/ when USF has to receive some small adjustments post-patch, you can bet your bottom dollar many vocal USF players will protest loudly, pro player consensus for the changes or not.

Additionally, comparing tool timing/ availability across factions is reductive and borderline disingenuous. In the indirect fire department alone, you can point to areas where USF has an advantage over both Axis factions.




Not true. Sander has been an essential member of the balance team since he joined, and is comfortably one of the most dedicated and invovled.

Dirty OKW stan granted, but top fella.

jk, not really an okw stan

Jump back to quoted post9 Sep 2019, 17:07 PMpvtgooner

well balance team (Sanders mostly) has sworn up and down every pro player that has tested the patch has said USF is OP. I guess you just don't know what you're talking about Von.

Jump back to quoted post9 Sep 2019, 18:46 PMEsxile

I'm disappointed that nobody followed up on VonIvan's comment on early riflemen stat. Also to put in line with his comment on Gren G43 spam capacity for the next patch on the Ostheer topic.
Those 2 comments are going against the story balance team is trying to sell us at the moment.

Jump back to quoted post9 Sep 2019, 20:18 PMachpawel

What about making it possible to tech without a squad? It would give so much more versality and solved, to some extend, upkeep and popcap issues.

Jump back to quoted post9 Sep 2019, 20:04 PMHon3ynuts

I am still going to be more concerned with the m20 rush than rifles or even 50 cal when playing as ostheer.

At the same time t2 is 100 manpower cheaper so that's a large buff when 30 scoutcar fuel is not terribly hard to come by, making it easier to deal with rifles early game. 5 squad builds may become more viable compared to a typical 3 gren 1 mg scout car meta which considerably improves Ostheers early game vs the USF free tech squad.

I think this will do something to mitigate the m20 shock value, but if that's not enough mabye making the m20 upgrade take a long time, such that it will not have skirts when it finds it's first infantry target so it must play cautiously for 20-30 extra seconds. Its not super scary without skirts especially in front of an mg.

Jump back to quoted post9 Sep 2019, 19:21 PMSander93

Would you mind actually quoting me on that?

Jump back to quoted post9 Sep 2019, 20:45 PMMr.Flush

The 222 can be called in close to the same time. Usf still got to tech to vehicles before the m20 can be called.

Jump back to quoted post9 Sep 2019, 20:41 PMHon3ynuts

I think that would be nice, but econmically it would be odd
Current state
Pay 200 mp 35 fuel
Recieve Lt/Captain squad (value 300 MP)
Net 100 manpower benefit -35 fuel

Future state
Pay 35 fuel
Receive 100 MP to spend on whatever you want
Net 100 manpower benefit - 35 fuel

These two are technically equal, but it would be quite odd to receive manpower for teching. Anything less than this would be a direct nerf to the amount of resources USF has during the game.

Jump back to quoted post9 Sep 2019, 17:07 PMpvtgooner

well balance team (Sanders mostly) has sworn up and down every pro player that has tested the patch has said USF is OP. I guess you just don't know what you're talking about Von.

Jump back to quoted post9 Sep 2019, 20:53 PMachpawel

All true

But I sort of miss the possibility of having fewer infantry squads just after teching to leave some room for more varied army compisitions.

Jump back to quoted post9 Sep 2019, 21:00 PMVonIvan

Speaking from experience, I played in the Balance Patch Tournament 2 weekends ago so I know a bit about how the patch operates unless they changed things in the last week. I don't think Riflemen are a huge concern yet but maybe I haven't played someone who can use them super effectively vs me in the patch.

Jump back to quoted post9 Sep 2019, 21:05 PMHon3ynuts

I think if the opportunity presented itself the best possible rework for USF would include that.

Something like
WC51 t0
Officers are not free
Officers have unique upgrades (LT thompsons CPT lmgs)

Maybe including like Grenades with tech would solve the resource equation.

Outside of the rifles only t0 and officers are also rifles problem usf is in a very good spot though.
They just lack late game indirect/heavy tanks (which you can get with a doctrine) that's it.