USA September patch discussion

Jump back to quoted post15 Aug 2019, 17:44 PMMazianni

But they already have worse long range DPS than equivalent Axis infantry. Anything further and you might as well just build Ass Engies.

All this change did was increase the short range DPS plateau at ranges where Riflemen should be winning anyway. And for their price, it really is about goddamned time they excelled at something.

Jump back to quoted post15 Aug 2019, 17:44 PMMazianni

But they already have worse long range DPS than equivalent Axis infantry. Anything further and you might as well just build Ass Engies.

All this change did was increase the short range DPS plateau at ranges where Riflemen should be winning anyway. And for their price, it really is about goddamned time they excelled at something.

Jump back to quoted post15 Aug 2019, 17:39 PMDoomlord52

Not really sure I follow on this change. This hasn't really increased their "range dynamics", it's just increased their DPS at 3-15 range. Increasing dynamics would mean lowering something as well, like their long-range DPS.

Jump back to quoted post15 Aug 2019, 17:45 PMStug life

hmmh don0t they have almost same dps as volks that they them self have same long range dps as green ? or are u talking about fusilier ? cause they are strictly better at all ranges in that case

Jump back to quoted post15 Aug 2019, 17:49 PMSander93

At the moment they trade pretty much equally with Grens and Volks at max range, which means in effect that Riflemen trade worse because they are more expensive. So long range goes to the Axis mainlines (which is intended). Near and mid range should go to Riflemen, but we felt that their near range DPS felt a bit lackluster for this dynamic. The new values should reward positioning a bit better by making Riflemen feel more at home in the shorter ranges. A succesful ambush or succesfully closing in without taking too many casualties should now be rewarded more.

Jump back to quoted post15 Aug 2019, 17:53 PMMazianni

Grens do more damage starting at range 10 and something like 30% more damage starting at range 25, besides being harder to hit.

Volks do only marginally better damage starting at range 24, but still better, and they also get a 10% RA boost at vet 1, have sandbags, get techless nades and upgrade to STGs, all while being 30 (20 soon?) MP cheaper.

And no, fusiliers also do better damage than riflemen starting at range 25.

Jump back to quoted post15 Aug 2019, 17:57 PMStug life

i think u forgot that green have only 4 man so 8,40 for rifle vs green 9 of green, then add the 0,91 ra vs 0,97 ra and 80 more hp

so no long range rifle are equal to both green and volks

Jump back to quoted post15 Aug 2019, 17:59 PMMazianni

Well, no actually. 5 to 4 is only a 20% reduction, and besides being harder to hit, individual Grenadiers do closer to 30% more damage at long range, which, it goes without saying, is a higher percentage than the 20% reduction in squad size. This, of course, all without mentioning their cheaper price.

Jump back to quoted post15 Aug 2019, 18:01 PMStug life

i lieterally posted the raw dps value , green do 9 dps at max range , rifle do 8,40, while having 80 more hp, they are equal, and if u think about reinforce cost it's 30 mp vs 28

Jump back to quoted post15 Aug 2019, 18:01 PMStug life

i lieterally posted the raw dps value , green do 9 dps at max range , rifle do 8,40, while having 80 more hp, they are equal, and if u think about reinforce cost it's 30 mp vs 28

Jump back to quoted post15 Aug 2019, 17:06 PMSander93

SEPTEMBER 2019 PATCH PREVIEW - Version 1.1 Changes

USF
Changes to both of the following units were discussed before release. The team has decided to include for testing after initial feedback.

Riflemen
We think Riflemen are solid infantry that scale very well, but we would like to put more emphasis on the engagement range dynamics between them and long range Axis squads. Their near range (and thereby their near DPS) will be slightly increased, which will naturally slightly increase their DPS up to range 16
- Near range from 3 to 6


(Chart amended from https://coh2db.com/stats/ )

Rear Echelon Troops
To make Rear Echelon Troops carbines perform more consistently, as currently they are very RNG dependent with their low accuracy but high rate of fire and damage, their accuracy has been increased. In return their damage per bullet will be reduced, to keep the same total DPS as now
- Damage from 10 to 8
- Accuracy from 0.403/0.288/0.23 to 0.51/0.3456/0.276

Jump back to quoted post15 Aug 2019, 17:53 PMMazianni

Grens do more damage starting at range 10 and something like 30% more damage starting at range 25, besides being harder to hit.

Jump back to quoted post15 Aug 2019, 17:57 PMStug life

i think u forgot that green have only 4 man so 8,40 for rifle vs green 9 of green, then add the 0,91 ra vs 0,97 ra and 80 more hp

Jump back to quoted post15 Aug 2019, 18:05 PMMazianni

So that's what that was about. I really don't understand this system of using commas in place of decimals.
But you still agree that grens do more damage at long range, then. For a lesser price. As that is in fact a higher value.

Jump back to quoted post15 Aug 2019, 18:13 PMShadowLinkX37

Can we consider giving REs sandbags instead of tanktraps? It's really difficult to get all your squad members behind a thin piece of green cover sometimes and it often leads to being suppressed by MGs even though you're behind green cover