Anybody playing Luftwaffe Ground Forces?

Jump back to quoted post6 Aug 2019, 04:22 AMLoopDloop

IMO they should have stormtrooper RA though. They aren't quite storms or commandos with their inferior camo (which is justified because FG42s have way better damage profiles at range than suppressed stens or mp40s) and they are fairly expensive, 4 man squads that are supposed to be elite infantry. Yes, you should be using camo, but all the stuff I said holds true. Stormtrooper RA is apparently just slightly better btw.

I still think they are a great unit with great combat and utility capabilities though.

Jump back to quoted post6 Aug 2019, 05:58 AMLoopDloop

I really enjoy using the commander; all the muni abilities it has are excellent and synergize really well with aggressive infantry play, which is already OKW's thing anyway. I even really like falls but I do agree that they could use a slight RA buff, but keep in mind 380 is still a bargain considering they get camo and 4 FG42s straight out the gate. Keep in mind that paras cost 360 and have to use munitions to upgrade to fairly expensive slot weapons, and they don't get camo or snares either.

Jump back to quoted post6 Aug 2019, 06:36 AMSmiling Tiger

@Katitof They may not be a full on CQC unit, but the primary use of their camo is to either close the distance or let enemy infantry walk up to them for better damage.

Jump back to quoted post6 Aug 2019, 06:44 AMKatitof

That's because they are THE squad to exploit relative positioning.

Jump back to quoted post6 Aug 2019, 07:32 AMSander93

The problem is why would you ever pick them over IR STG44 Obers or LMG 34 Obers who are way more effective at their respective ranges? Why bother yourself with having to micromanage camo and ambushes when Obers can just mow down everything much more effectively? Falls do not stand out enough compared to them.

Jump back to quoted post6 Aug 2019, 07:32 AMSander93

The problem is why would you ever pick them over IR STG44 Obers or LMG 34 Obers who are way more effective at their respective ranges? Why bother yourself with having to micromanage camo and ambushes when Obers can just mow down everything much more effectively? Falls do not stand out enough compared to them.

Jump back to quoted post6 Aug 2019, 06:09 AMKatitof

Again, not needed, they are not CQC unit.

Grens don't have same RA as PGs for that very same reason.

Jump back to quoted post6 Aug 2019, 06:36 AMSmiling Tiger

My thinking was that the 20 manpower would be a tradeoff for no RA buff.

@Katitof They may not be a full on CQC unit, but the primary use of their camo is to either close the distance or let enemy infantry walk up to them for better damage.

Jump back to quoted post6 Aug 2019, 07:32 AMSander93

The problem is why would you ever pick them over IR STG44 Obers or LMG 34 Obers who are way more effective at their respective ranges? Why bother yourself with having to micromanage camo and ambushes when Obers can just mow down everything much more effectively? Falls do not stand out enough compared to them.

Jump back to quoted post6 Aug 2019, 19:31 PMWingZero

From 3 v 3 + perspective, many players have a tendency of blobbing Falls almost every time. The problem is that large game modes people completely use this unit as a main line infantry.

Falls should be played like commando unit like the Brits.

Also, I do think the clumping of falls is the biggest downfall. The unit is absolutely pain in the ass for unit preservation. If we need to do 5 man squad then DPS needs to be nerfed or FG-42 needs to be an upgrade.

Jump back to quoted post6 Aug 2019, 20:55 PMJilet

5 Man with A.Gren. MP-40s
Stormtrooper RA
440 MP
x5 FG-42 (Which will have similar DPS total as the current one maybe a tiny bit more) for 120 munitions

With x5 FG-42's DPS drop-off will not be that much drastical.
While 5th man and Stormtrooper RA will solve survivability issues without making it ridicilously OP.
MP-40s will prevent paradrop rapes unlike current FG-42s.
And lastly with upgrade and unit that expensive it will be punishing to spam/blob.

Seems fair imo.

Jump back to quoted post6 Aug 2019, 21:55 PMPrinceps

3cp
5 Man with k98k -- This weapon really doesn't fit the paratrooper theme while they were not jumping with kar98s before fg42s.

1x FG42 for 60 mun (max. 2x FG42 Unit) a bit better than BAR or a bit worse than OberMG -- If they change the FG-42 damage profile well i'm okay with that. (What i was telling is x5 FG42s BUT same damage output in total. It will be satisfiying to see FG42s and my version will loose their DPS faster while not being totally garbage)

3 Weapon slots -- I think that would be overkill and will be like Thanos having his ring with the 3rd weapon they found.

reinforce in the field via paradrop @vet5 -- no god pls no

Jump back to quoted post7 Aug 2019, 09:26 AMPrinceps

hmm than maybe jump with mp40 and u can buy 2x FG42 and 3 K98k for long and med range.

5 Man with better FG42 behind enemy lines is too strong. Its like paradrop shocks

Jump back to quoted post7 Aug 2019, 09:26 AMPrinceps

I dont like 5x FG42, because than they are just 5 Man Pgrens with better slighty better weapons.

Jump back to quoted post7 Aug 2019, 09:26 AMPrinceps

And u have a dps drop of... even with 5 Man. The Main Firepower must come from the 2 FG42.
Than they got the same durability as the standart rifles + bar.

Jump back to quoted post7 Aug 2019, 09:26 AMPrinceps

the 3rd weapon slot would make them more flexible.

Jump back to quoted post7 Aug 2019, 19:08 PMWingZero

Or we can have the Falls with similar ability as Penals. I cant remember if it was a damage buff as the models die or received accuracy buff?