What do people think of Conscripts after the patch?

Jump back to quoted post4 Aug 2019, 08:23 AMgbem

ok i have to bust this...
historically the soviets didnt have conscripts but reservists...

Jump back to quoted post4 Aug 2019, 10:54 AMStug life

then add it a little cost something like 20 fu 200 mp

Jump back to quoted post4 Aug 2019, 11:22 AMhoneymonstis

you raise good points but this part is simply not true. The Soviets like ANY other major power in WW2 made use of conscription. The Soviets conscripted nearly 30 million men.
1944 OKW should not have access to the same quality of mainline troops as the sov or any other faction if you went by history (also why volks in original design where worse AI than conscripts). The obersoldaten (silly name) are your 1938-42 trained professional last remnants of the German infantry. The game no longer reflects this as it made for bad gameplay,

Jump back to quoted post4 Aug 2019, 11:33 AMgbem

nerfing the penals makes sense... penals pressure axis especially OKW with much ferocity that they melt if they dont retreat... their performance should be flatter with a mutually exclusive AI upgrade (ala panzer fusiliers) for lategame...

if it were up to me id change penals with
1. make em cost 280mp
2. give mosin nagants equivalent to panzerfusiliers
3. give an option for 2 PTRS
4. also give a mutually exclusive AI upgrade option to 6 SVTs
5. change RA to panzerfusiliers levels

voila u have a more balanced unit like a pfusi but has regular satchels, satchel snare (with upgrade) and the performance buff on losing models in exchange for the nade and the regular snare...

it may not be "assymetric balance"... but it would definitely be more balanced...

however nerfing the T-70 would remove the last nondoc god tier unit from the soviets... but of course axis can keep the MG42 and the ostwind

and 20 fuel and 200mp would make the T-70 more expensive than the T-34... that is the dumbest nerf ive ever heard of

Jump back to quoted post4 Aug 2019, 12:08 PMStug life

that penal rework could work well

nerf t 70 buff maxim to actual mg lvl

the 20 fu and 200 mp is for the cons upgrade at tier 3 if u want it earlier, but if u nerf penal u could just increase the mid and close range damage of cons

Jump back to quoted post4 Aug 2019, 12:08 PMStug life

that penal rework could work well

nerf t 70 buff maxim to actual mg lvl

the 20 fu and 200 mp is for the cons upgrade at tier 3 if u want it earlier, but if u nerf penal u could just increase the mid and close range damage of cons

Jump back to quoted post4 Aug 2019, 12:48 PMgbem

why does axis get an ostwind buff while not getting a nerf?

Jump back to quoted post4 Aug 2019, 12:59 PMStug life

1 they had below 50% win rate unlike soviet 2 it did get nerfed right after with a price increase

Jump back to quoted post4 Aug 2019, 12:59 PMStug life

1 they had below 50% win rate unlike soviet 2 it did get nerfed right after with a price increase

Jump back to quoted post4 Aug 2019, 13:06 PMMaret

While it's true there are some...misunderstandings. Try to play through cons and T2 exclusively every game and what your W\L rating will be in such case? Sovie winrate only because penals exists.

Jump back to quoted post4 Aug 2019, 14:51 PMVykraznar

200 manpower and 20 fuel for a 10% increase in DPS is ridiculously overpriced (unless you meant it as a global upgrade, which I doubt you did). Especially compared to Grens and Volks that get their weapon upgrades much earlier and are much cheaper in cost. If the (completely unneeded) Penal and T-70 nerf also go through without giving Conscripts any actual proper early game buffs and a fairly priced and properly timed 7-man upgrade then that could signal the death of the Soviet faction.

Jump back to quoted post4 Aug 2019, 13:59 PMgbem

before penals were buffed the soviets had sub 45% winrate... nerf penals = the faction falls apart... at that point any nerfs to units like the T-70 would only make it worse... just rework penals so that theyre balanced then buff conscripts to actually be useful...

Jump back to quoted post4 Aug 2019, 16:43 PMStug life

yes exactly nerf the op buff the up

Jump back to quoted post6 Aug 2019, 21:58 PMgbem

yes... that is why until conscripts are buffed appropriately a core T2 sov build will always have sub 45% winrate even with the T-70...

Jump back to quoted post6 Aug 2019, 22:31 PMHon3ynuts

Maxim's are like the worst HMG in supression capability, Damage and They aren't incredibly survivable or cheap to reinforce since the changes they have recieved. That holds back t2 more than conscripts, if you had a vickers or .50 cal that pops off models easily you would have a different dynamic.