It's not enough that it is faster backwards than a P4 while going forward with Blitzkrieg. It's not overtuned at all, noooooo. Speed, insane damage and accuracy and decent survivability are a really good idea as long as axis have trash tanks like P4, Tiger or Panther.
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Jackson needs some more buffs
31 Jul 2019, 15:48 PM
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31 Jul 2019, 16:08 PM
#2
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Vehicles on roads are always going to be way faster than vehicles in the dirt. The Jackson in that clip is on a road at first, and the P4 is not. The P4 almost gets up to speed though, as you can see in that clip.
TBH, that p4 was not in a position to dive even at the start of the clip. Not against a Jackson, not with that little health.
TBH, that p4 was not in a position to dive even at the start of the clip. Not against a Jackson, not with that little health.
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31 Jul 2019, 16:35 PM
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First, there is no difference in speed going forward or backwards in this game, for either side. (Axis or Allies)
Second without HVAP, it has the same damage as your OKW PZ4, which just happened to miss the kill shot (Bad RNG can happen to anyone at anytime)
Third, nice Infantry perservation, Jackass.
Second without HVAP, it has the same damage as your OKW PZ4, which just happened to miss the kill shot (Bad RNG can happen to anyone at anytime)
Third, nice Infantry perservation, Jackass.
31 Jul 2019, 17:40 PM
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Third, nice Infantry perservation, Jackass.
Easy my dude.
@OP I just see a 5 second clip of a p4 missing a shot and a jackson hitting one. Not that I don't think the jackson doesn't need some kind of tune down or price change, but as far as that specific situation went, glide shots were not used, therefore more RNG.
31 Jul 2019, 17:49 PM
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Easy my dude.
@OP I just see a 5 second clip of a p4 missing a shot and a jackson hitting one. Not that I don't think the jackson doesn't need some kind of tune down or price change, but as far as that specific situation went, glide shots were not used, therefore more RNG.
It's cool, I do think the Jackson needs to be more expensive, if it's going to remain this good against anything that isn't Infantry.
31 Jul 2019, 17:53 PM
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https://gyazo.com/ead0c7ffce3b5e64bfebdac12c38da9e
Have you heard something of a thing called "road speed bonus"?
31 Jul 2019, 17:53 PM
#7
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as long as axis have trash tanks like P4, Tiger or Panther.
OP, i must inform you that P4, Tiger and panther are the benchmark of the game with regards of medium and heavy tanks. They lack nothing. Dont call them trash because you dont get the best of them.
When you put aside your personal points of view and unnecessary subjective toxicity, the forums will give you all the feedback to understand how the game is balanced.
31 Jul 2019, 17:54 PM
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It's cool, I do think the Jackson needs to be more expensive, if it's going to remain this good against anything that isn't Infantry.
What if we make jacksons even more expensive and effective against infanrty.
Imagine like, 1000MP and 500Fu. That would be a fair price, dont you think?
31 Jul 2019, 18:04 PM
#9
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What if we make jacksons even more expensive and effective against infanrty.
Imagine like, 1000MP and 500Fu. That would be a fair price, dont you think?
Lmao.
USF has no other baseline TD to use, specially against heavier tanks, back when the Jackson was 480 HP people always used the Pershing to have something that didn't die the moment you made any mistake.
If you mess up the Jackson like it was before, USF will fade further into obscurity outside of 1s again, let a Tank Destroyer be able to do their one job. (Destroy Tanks)
31 Jul 2019, 18:36 PM
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Last point: Blitz stopped the moment you got in the middle of the road. Otherwise you would had got the kill most likely.
+100% accuracy, -25% received accuracy, +40% speed, and +25% rate of fire.
+100% accuracy, -25% received accuracy, +40% speed, and +25% rate of fire.
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And if they were, you were playing dishonorably,
And if you weren't, you were playing without skill,
And if you were, it's not fun to play that way,
And if it is, you only care about winning.
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31 Jul 2019, 19:26 PM
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So you were trying to fight a tank destroyer with a tank and you're shocked and upset the tank destroyer destroyed your tank?
31 Jul 2019, 20:07 PM
#12
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Medium tank losing to a tank destroyer!? Jacksons OP!
31 Jul 2019, 21:27 PM
#13
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The messenger might be making the case the wrong way, but the jackson is still really freaking good
Fuel cost should be increased by 10-15
Mediums used to be able to kill it reliably if they snuck up on it. Now the jackson can usually survive long enough to escape range, and it shoots faster/misses less often than it used to so it can turn the tide on chasing mediums more easily
Fuel cost should be increased by 10-15
Mediums used to be able to kill it reliably if they snuck up on it. Now the jackson can usually survive long enough to escape range, and it shoots faster/misses less often than it used to so it can turn the tide on chasing mediums more easily
1 Aug 2019, 00:31 AM
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The messenger might be making the case the wrong way, but the jackson is still really freaking good
Fuel cost should be increased by 10-15
Mediums used to be able to kill it reliably if they snuck up on it. Now the jackson can usually survive long enough to escape range, and it shoots faster/misses less often than it used to so it can turn the tide on chasing mediums more easily
That would be a fair change, after all even at 140 fuel, it overshadows other alternatives.
1 Aug 2019, 02:33 AM
#15
Posts: 2358
The messenger might be making the case the wrong way, but the jackson is still really freaking good
Fuel cost should be increased by 10-15
Mediums used to be able to kill it reliably if they snuck up on it. Now the jackson can usually survive long enough to escape range, and it shoots faster/misses less often than it used to so it can turn the tide on chasing mediums more easily
The said 'nerf' of 10-15 FU can damage Jacksons as much as a stick would do to a real tank.
Its not proportional to either its intended performance or their counterparts.
If jackson can secure so reliably 1v1s against all but the heaviest tank destroyers (Jgdtgr or Elephant) it could be nerfed a little harder in the fuel cost. Its reliable and complementary to USF core army, there are cheaper doctrinal alternatives if you really want cost efficient units.
IMO all axis tanks are too fast, with and without blitz. If jacksons receive any sort of nerf, so should be all axis tank speed...
1 Aug 2019, 02:57 AM
#16
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Jackson dont need buff&nerf
Dont touch him anymore
Dont touch him anymore
1 Aug 2019, 03:27 AM
#17
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OP, i must inform you that P4, Tiger and panther are the benchmark of the game with regards of medium and heavy tanks. They lack nothing. Dont call them trash because you dont get the best of them.
When you put aside your personal points of view and unnecessary subjective toxicity, the forums will give you all the feedback to understand how the game is balanced.
They lack for nothing exept they don’t have Stalinium armour, The righteousness of democracy or the largest empire in the world backing them up! #buffPanthers
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1 Aug 2019, 03:57 AM
#18
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Jackson used to be 125, now its 140. That was a 15 fuel increase, and that one actually came along with some buffs
A 15 fuel increase with no buffs is not nothing, more expensive tanks have received even smaller cost adjustments
A 15 fuel increase with no buffs is not nothing, more expensive tanks have received even smaller cost adjustments
1 Aug 2019, 04:06 AM
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10-15 fuel increase is barely a deserving nerf, the Jackson is blatantly OP and has nothing to do with the price, its the performance which needs to be looked at
1 Aug 2019, 05:28 AM
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10-15 fuel increase is barely a deserving nerf, the Jackson is blatantly OP and has nothing to do with the price, its the performance which needs to be looked at
Do you have a specific suggestion? I think its current performance is needed for US to compete late-game. Just not expensive enough
The price cant have "nothing to do with it", that doesnt make any sense. If you think its overperforming, then its too strong for its cost...
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